farmer.palmer
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 08:43 AM |
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Stopped by the police... (F*LTH) Apparently I am not allowed to call them this...
Hypothetically speaking here...
If the police wanted to search your house they would need to produce a warrant otherwise you have the right to refuse them access (this is how I
understand it)
If you are stopped while driving, do the *ilth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
Just a thought that cropped into my head the today....
cheers
james
[Edited on 21/8/07 by farmer.palmer]
[Edited on 21/8/07 by farmer.palmer]
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clockwork
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 08:51 AM |
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I asked a similar question on Pistonheads but got no-where. Not even the police would answer. Lots of if you've got nothing to hide non-sense.
I do know that in America if you asked to step out of your car you should lock it, then they have to get a warrant.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.
"Well if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" Morons the world over.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 08:54 AM |
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Nope, as far as I know and I know not the reasoning but they do not use a warrant for the car if they suspect something as we/they don't need a
warrant for a person but we/they issue a form to say why the vehicle was searched and gives the officers details.
[Edited on 9/8/07 by mistergrumpy]
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scootz
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:06 AM |
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Personally I couldn't give a monkey's.
I'm afraid I fully subscribe to the "if you've nothing to hide" movement (sorry Clockwork).
As I see it, this country is turning as soft as sh*te and the scumbags are taking over!
Sure, you get some over-zealous coppers out their, but so what... I'd rather the devil I know!
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nathanharris1987
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:08 AM |
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im sure you could question it on the grounds of human rights in your right to a private life though?
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nick205
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:14 AM |
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What (hypothetically speaking) have you got in your car that would be of concern to the police should they search your car?
Also, why (again hypothetically speaking) would the police have stopped you?
IMHO it would come down to "grounds for reasonable suspicion". i.e. if you, your behaviour or your car looks suspect in some way they
have the right to stop and search you and your vehicle.
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:16 AM |
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I'm with Scootz especially on the 3rd on 4th lines. You do get over zealous coppers but these are the ones that constantly clip at the heels of
the scum bags for all and anything and make day to day stuff more difficult for them and I'm all for that.I know from first hand that none of
the monkeys like the restrictions on their time or habits, it annoys the p1ss out of them so yeah I've no problems with being pulled
over/searched, as I have done in the past, all be it mistakingly mind.
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tiffshaw
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:20 AM |
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This one is fairly straight forward.
There are two main bits of legislation that allows officer to search your vehicle when it is in a public place.
Section 1 Police and Criminal Evidence Act to allow searching for stolen goods, weapons and items used to commit thefts/burglaries etc
Section 23 Misuse of Drugs Act to allow officers to search for drugs.
In both cases officers need reasonable grounds to search. These are the officers justification and you do not have to agree with it.
The officer is required to provide you with his grounds and some other information including which station he is from. At the end of the search a
stop slip will be produced unless the officer is urgently called away. If you do not receive a stop slip at the time it can be collected from the
station at any time in the next 12 months.
Once an officer has established grounds and informed you he is going to search it is an offence (obstruction) to not allow them to search.
As mentioned in a previous post you do have rights under the human rights act which is why the officer is required to justify the search and produce
the written record.
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coozer
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:28 AM |
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I understood that for your own personnal safety as long as you stop you do not even have to get out of the car. You can take the slip off the copper
to produce and volunteer to be escorted to a police station.
I'm sure if this happens it will pi€€ them right off.
But, lady driver on her own at 1am. Is it safe for her to pull over and get out? I think not.
Anyway refuse to get out of the car and demand a MacDonalds. Thats normally the crack if your on a roof making a nuisance of yourself isn't it??
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:32 AM |
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Where the Police are really crossing the civil liberties line is the semi-random early morning stop checks they are doing accompanied by DHSS (or what
ever they are called this week), imigration & income tax whallahs ---- that is just plain wrong.
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BenB
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:34 AM |
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http://www.northants.police.uk/default.asp?action=article&ID=1980#7
According to Northants police they can do if they believe you have committed (or are about to commit) a crime under stop+search remit.
Apparently they have to leave you a letter saying they've done it if you're not there and you can ask for compensation if they damage
it!!!
Oh well......
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tiffshaw
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:34 AM |
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The semi-random stops are usually controlled by automatic number plate readers stopping people with no license and no insurance.
And why is stopping people with questionable immigration status or people who are wanted for tax offences an infringement on civil liberty.
As far as I can see it is taking care of some of the people not putting into the system as the rest of us do.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tiffshaw
The semi-random stops are usually controlled by automatic number plate readers stopping people with no license and no insurance.
And why is stopping people with questionable immigration status or people who are wanted for tax offences an infringement on civil liberty.
As far as I can see it is taking care of some of the people not putting into the system as the rest of us do.
More accurately various police & DSS sources have admmitted they are stopping anyone wearing overalls or driving a "white van" at 6
am ie anyone who looks as if they are going to work
( and won't the legal or financial clout to seek some sort of redress if stopped unreasonably).
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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scootz
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 09:59 AM |
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I knew this would develop into a 'hearsay' debate...
We NEED the Police to get stuck right into all the muppets in the land (and I mean REALLY get stuck into them) - I personally don't care if I
occasionally get inconvenienced while they're at it!
As they said in Hot Fuzz - it's all for the greater good!
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scootz
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 10:01 AM |
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PS - If I occasionally get stopped for being a bit naughty.... then I take my medicine and get on with it! I'm a big boy and I know the
score.
PPS - I really can't stant liberal moaners and whingers... come and live in the real world and see what it's all about...
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 10:10 AM |
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quote:
More accurately various police & DSS sources have admmitted they are stopping anyone wearing overalls or driving a "white van" at 6 am
ie anyone who looks as if they are going to work
Can you provide us with reference to these sources? Otherwise what you're saying is just heresay isn't it?
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 10:35 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
If you are stopped while driving, do the filth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
If people with nothing to hide let the police get on with it and put up with a brief minor inconvenience then they'll have more time to catch
the real criminals. If everyone arses around making the Police's life as difficult as possible because they see them as some kind of enemy then
it's not surprising they never have time to do any good.
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cadebytiger
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 10:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
If you are stopped while driving, do the filth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
If people with nothing to hide let the police get on with it and put up with a brief minor inconvenience then they'll have more time to catch
the real criminals. If everyone arses around making the Police's life as difficult as possible because they see them as some kind of enemy then
it's not surprising they never have time to do any good.
agreed - you are paying them for their time after all.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 11:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
Hypothetically speaking here...
If the police wanted to search your house they would need to produce a warrant otherwise you have the right to refuse them access (this is how I
understand it)
If you are stopped while driving, do the filth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
Just a thought that cropped into my head the today....
cheers
james
I don't believe that someone who uses the term FILTH to describe members of our police for force who are there for the protection of us law
abiding citizens should be allowed to remain a member of this forum.
The police have an extremely difficult job to do and it is not helped by this kind of attitude.
Please can we have this person banned Fozzie?
Kind regards
Mark
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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clockwork
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 11:23 AM |
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I used to get stopped once/twice a week when I lived in Newquay for the crime of being a young lad in a powerful car (escort 1.1) driving around late
at night / early morning with a group of lads/lasses. On each occasion I was breathalysed and had to go to the police station a few days later with
the producer. This got very annoying after two months. I got shirty with one officer who had pulled me not two weeks before. He asked to search my
car. I declined, he threatened to arrest me. Knowing no better I told him to search the car. He found my leatherman knife in the boot of my car
(must have fallen out of a bag). He asked what I was doing carrying "An offensive weapon". Thankfully they got an urgent call so he had
to wrap it up.
What did I do? I stopped driving at night because I was fed up with it.
Moral of the story. Drive around in a car with lots of pretty young girls, expect to get stopped.
No it's not okay, just because it doesn't happen to you.
I have since met a number of senior policemen who have told me who I should have spoken to, and how to behave, but even they agree there wasn't
much I could have done differently.
Police are human. Some are tossers with an inferiority complex, others are hard-working. I would never call them Pigs or Filth.
Your civil liberties are there to give you some ammo against the tossers.
Throw away your civil liberties if you like, I couldn't care, but don't you dare make me throw away mine.
Thankyou.
P.S. I'm a nice chap, really I am, it's just a major bug bear of mine.
Benjamin Franklin (top bloke):
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin.
"Well if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" Morons the world over.
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graememk
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 11:25 AM |
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banned, maybe just a quick talking to from a friendly mod is what is needed
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nathanharris1987
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 11:34 AM |
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Dont blame the monkeys, blame the organ grinders! But they say everythings and have the statistics to proove it!
Heres one, what if your a pikey and you live in a camper van, house/car search warrent or not to search warrent?
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mookaloid
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 11:52 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by graememk
banned, maybe just a quick talking to from a friendly mod is what is needed
As long as we don't have to see that kind of thing here......
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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andyharding
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 12:04 PM |
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Seems to me it is a perfectly valid opinion that the police are filth. What's next, banning people because you don't like the colour they
painted their car...
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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mistergrumpy
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| posted on 9/8/07 at 12:19 PM |
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I think its neither here nor there the name calling but just a quick return to reality. This site has always been really free and easy and for reasons
other we gained a mod who is very much 'in the background'. A good argument/debate is great and this one is nice and friendly so lets not
start shouting for the mod. Plus I know that Fozzie is away on holiday to the Highlands and has restricted site/time access at the moment and on top
is getting over illness so lets not inundate her with e mails for public floggings and carry on like grown ups.
Just to add, its a very valid point made by Andy ^ I agree
[Edited on 9/8/07 by mistergrumpy]
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