ChrisW
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 posted on 11/10/11 at 12:11 PM |
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Is my ticket valid?
Got a ticket yesterday for 'drawing a trailer in the right hand lane'. 3 points and £60, bastard.
However, on review, I'm not sure if the ticket was appropriate. It happened here:
 
M6-M55 junction
Now I know that you're not supposed to pull a trailer beyond lane 2 (well, actually, I didn't until yesterday but we live and learn!), but
in this case I was in the same lane as the blue van. Is that lane 4? Or is that lane 2 of the M6?
Surely if the theory that lane 1 is on the left holds true in this situation, and that you're not allowed to tow beyond lane 2, it would be
impossible for a trailer (or truck for that matter) to take the M6 junction.
There seems to be very little information about what happens in this scenario. Anyone know for sure?
Cheers, Chris
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:18 PM |
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think the copper was talking out of his bottom, as this would be lane 2 of the M6. lane 2 is fine. the close dotted line marks the two motorways
apart.
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jossey
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:18 PM |
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thats a bloody good question cos i know HGV's hang in that lane but the white lines are broken.
get on the phone to a solicitor me thinks.
Thanks
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MikeCapon
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:20 PM |
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Hi Chris,
I've been there too a long time ago. It was the 105mph in my case that cost.
The logic says that the 4th lane in the pic is lane 2 of the M6. If not you'd have to go to Preston if you were towing a trailer.
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balidey
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:21 PM |
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If the ticket says 'right hand lane' as you wrote above, and you were in the same lane as the van, ie the right hand lane, then yes the
ticket is valid.
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ReMan
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:21 PM |
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"The right-hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes MUST NOT be used (except in prescribed circumstances) if you are drivingany vehicle
drawing a trailer "
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ash_hammond
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:22 PM |
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Chris,
I agree with you.
I see it as two sperate roads, given the type of lane markings
Another situation:
Say: If you were is lane 2, i would say it would be perfectly accetable to undertake a slow moving vehicle in name 3, whilst overtaking a slow moving
vehicle in name 1.
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rb968
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:23 PM |
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Quote "If the ticket says 'right hand lane' as you wrote above, and you were in the same lane as the van, ie the right hand lane,
then yes the ticket is valid."
Accurate perhaps, but is it illegal to tow a trailer in the right hand lane on a 2 land road or dual carriageway?
Is so I am guilty as charged !
Rich
[Edited on 11/10/11 by rb968]
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Bluemoon
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:24 PM |
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I think your o.k, all the "tube" buses I have had the "fun" to be on the M40 have done the same as you. When two lanes and
dotted lines they use the inside lane; but they get back over before the end of the dotted line and where there are three or more lanes... The
difficulty I guess you have is proving where exactly you were pulled for the "offence"...
Dan
[Edited on 11/10/11 by Bluemoon]
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:31 PM |
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depend how long he was following too, notice the same blue van in this photo, about 300m before your photo, here you'd be in lane 4 of the M6,
and the short dashed line is just about to start (making the lorry guilty really...)
 
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adithorp
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:31 PM |
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I think it's not "lane 2/3" thing. It that trailers aren't allowed in the OUTSIDE lane where there are 3 or more lanes. See
here There are undoubtedly 4 lanes there (however marked) and I suspect you shouldn't
use the outside one (lane4) untill the 2 motorways physically divide. Bit of a quirk, but thats the letter of the law as it's written but could
use lane 2.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:35 PM |
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The ticket specifically states 'draw trailer in right hand lane'.
The only reference I can find to this is section 265 of the Highway Code which says....
quote:
The right-hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes MUST NOT be used (except in prescribed circumstances) if you are driving
•any vehicle drawing a trailer
However, in this case, does the motorway have two lanes or four?
Can you be given a ticket for breaking the highway code? My understanding was that it wasn't law but could be used as contributing evidence a
situation where a law has been broken.
Are the Police required to specify exactly where the offence took place? All the ticket says is 'M6 Preston'. If I claim it was in one
place, what's to stop them saying it was somewhere else?
Chris
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
depend how long he was following too, notice the same blue van in this photo, about 300m before your photo, here you'd be in lane 4 of the M6,
and the short dashed line is just about to start (making the lorry guilty really...)
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There's another question! As far as I knew/know, you're not supposed to cross the short dashed line. Therefore any vehicle that needs to
be in that lane should have moved over before the line starts.
So, assuming the previous statement is ture, what's a reasonable distance in which to do this in a slower moving vehicle such as a lorry (or car
towing a trailer) in peak time? (My ticket was give at 8.30am and traffic was heavy but moving).
Chris
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:46 PM |
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i'm sure you can cross a dashed line, but not a solid line.
anyways, as i see it, from your photo, the M55 has 2 lanes, and the M6 has 2 lanes. but if you were in the 4th lane in my photo, then...
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 12:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
i'm sure you can cross a dashed line, but not a solid line.
anyways, as i see it, from your photo, the M55 has 2 lanes, and the M6 has 2 lanes. but if you were in the 4th lane in my photo, then...
So we're back to the previous question then. Are the Police required to state the exact position where the offence took place? If so, how
would they do it?
Chris
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mookaloid
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:05 PM |
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I can't work out if it is right or wrong - but it certainly seems harsh under those circumstances. 
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owelly
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:06 PM |
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The question should be: were you ever in the wrong lane? If the BiB got you where there are 2x2lanes, then I would say they have made an error. If
they have you on camera previous to, or after that, where the carriageway had 3 or 4 lanes and you were in the wrong place, then they have you by the
danglies.
Contact a solicitor asap if you are certain you were spotted where your image depicts.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:12 PM |
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I've posted a link on the PH "Speed, Plod and the Law" forum for you.
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Snuggs
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:16 PM |
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The real question is
What are you doing so far North with a trailer ?
 
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:17 PM |
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Right or wrong, if you are looking for justice within the British legal system, dream on!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by owelly
Contact a solicitor asap if you are certain you were spotted where your image depicts.
There's another question: How do I know if they have photo/video evidence? To be perfectly honest, I don't know. I didn't know it
was an offence until I was told, and it was reasonably busy traffic so I was just trundling along minding my own business. I certainly wasn't
doing any overtaking manouvers, just going with the flow of traffic.
All I know is where I was pulled over - there is a landmark to identify the exact spot - and it was two lanes at that point and before that it was the
'4 or maybe 2' lanes bit. I know he pulled on at the junction before because I spotted the X5 a dozen or so cars back, but I just carried
on not realising I was doing anything wrong.
As said, it was quite busy being 8.30 on a Monday morning, so it's quite possible I moved across to give way to joining traffic. I had no idea
I was doing anything wrong so I didn't pay too much attention to which lane I was in.
Chris
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Snuggs
The real question is
What are you doing so far North with a trailer ?
[Edited on 11/10/11 by Snuggs]
See http://locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=161529
Chris
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SeaBass
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:45 PM |
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I know probably not the answer you're looking for BUT...
1) The whole of that carriageway is the M6.
2) You haven't passed the junction, the closely dashed line simply indicates the destination of the lanes, ie the M55 and M6 don't run
together.
3) It has "three lanes or more" in this case 4 lanes. You were in the "right" lane in contravention with highway code 265.
You could legally have been in lane 3 to get to your desired destination.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 01:49 PM |
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Chris,
Were you in the car alone ?
If not I belive you are in your rights to ask for photo evidence as you 'Swapped ' driver at a junction around that area, unfortunatly you
did not note where possibly north or south of the 'alleged' offence.
PS most drivers need to be insured for the vehicle
Oh another question is it a police ticket ?
regards
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/10/11 at 03:06 PM |
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Only me in the car unfortunatly.
And yes, it's a Police ticket. Well, I assume it is. It came from a PC and has 'Lancashire Constabulary' on it.
Interesting point that SeaBass makes though: The copper led me to believe that I wasn't allowed past lane 2. Actually the code reads that
it's only the right-most lane - so lane 4 in this case. So, if I was actually in lane 3 I'd have been ok.
Chris
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