Carbonman
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 04:08 PM |
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Design Concept
I was asked to design a retro fit body for a 7 style car by a client of mine. With the hot weather playing havoc with any resin based work I decided
to have a go. The brief was pretty basic - Fully enclosed front arches - Aggressive looking but keep the 7 look.
Here is the start of a 1-10th model. (pics in archive) I seem to have ended up with the love child of a Morgan and the Batmobile  They say that
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so any opinions/ comments are most welcome. The chassis dimensions are taken from the Haynes Roadster Book.
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designer
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 04:41 PM |
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Front and rear wings/arches from the Sylva Star, very retro.
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Carbonman
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 05:08 PM |
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The problem is there isn't much you can do with a 7 that hasn't been tried before and still keep the look. Early days, will keep
trying.
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rdodger
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 05:12 PM |
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I don't think it's different enough.
IMHO the danger with trying to keep the 7 look but update it you either end up with something heavy looking or Dutton esque.
I think you should be a bit more brave and go for something along the lines of the CC Cyclone.
I think Westfield did a decent job with the updated rear.
[Edited on 21/7/13 by rdodger]
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Carbonman
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 05:20 PM |
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Agreed the Cyclone was/is a nice looking car but the cycle wings are a no no.(client not me)
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rdodger
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 05:29 PM |
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CC Cyclone esque with closed front wheel arches?
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Andybarbet
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 05:38 PM |
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You could mix in a bit of the tiger aviator, I quite like the look of it.
Give a man a fish & it will feed him for a day, give him a fishing rod & you've saved a fish.
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SteveMX5
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 05:57 PM |
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I know it was mid-engined but the Dax Kamala (what ever happened to that?) was a design I always liked. I wonder if something like that could be used
for some design cues?
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Carbonman
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 06:06 PM |
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All helpful stuff I think the issue is that the simplicity of the original 7 is absolutely right for the car. Anything else, for me anyway just
isn't right.
The problem is that the client doesn't see it that way
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MikeR
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 08:51 PM |
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what about running boards - increase the size of the flat floor and blend in the rear arches a little more.
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Irony
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 09:40 PM |
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I think the front wings look like they have ended early. Maybe as another suggested running boards may be the answer. I am a designer by trade and
when doing a project such as this eventually you'll hit on something that you just 'know' works as long as you keep at it.
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wylliezx9r
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| posted on 21/7/13 at 09:49 PM |
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Take a look at the dankervoot for inspiration.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best
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JC
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 04:35 AM |
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Hi there!
Why not have a look at the YKC Romero for some wing ideas? And the Dodge Prowler for the front perhaps.
I quite like what you have done, but then I always liked the Sylva Leeder - that was a similar faired in wing design!
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iank
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 05:24 AM |
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When it first came out the Midtec Spyder was called by the magazines something along the lines of "a mid engined 7"
Arch/wing design might be worth thinking about
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rdodger
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 08:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
When it first came out the Midtec Spyder was called by the magazines something along the lines of "a mid engined 7"
Arch/wing design might be worth thinking about
[Edited on 22/7/13 by iank]
I still love them! 
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mcerd1
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 08:55 AM |
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Originally posted by wylliezx9r
Take a look at the dankervoot for inspiration.
you mean donkervoort 
the RS06 has the fully enclosed front arches you need, but needs a bit of work to make it look righ IMHO
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=938&d=1299606538
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swanny
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:03 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by wylliezx9r
Take a look at the dankervoot for inspiration.
you mean donkervoort
the RS06 has the fully enclosed front arches you need, but needs a bit of work to make it look righ IMHO
[img]http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=938&d=1299606538[/img]
love donkervorts generally, but that looks like the results of drunken fumble between an lmp1 and a seven.
(though i'm sure it goes well)
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iank
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by swanny
quote:
Originally posted by mcerd1
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Originally posted by wylliezx9r
Take a look at the dankervoot for inspiration.
you mean donkervoort
the RS06 has the fully enclosed front arches you need, but needs a bit of work to make it look righ IMHO
[img]http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=938&d=1299606538[/img]
love donkervorts generally, but that looks like the results of drunken fumble between an lmp1 and a seven.
(though i'm sure it goes well)
What about a bugatti type 32 "tank" inspired car
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/bugatti/855/view/bugatti_type_32_tank/
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loggyboy
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:18 AM |
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Eww Eww Ewwwwwwwww
Start again (IMO)
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
What about a bugatti type 32 "tank" inspired car
http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/bugatti/855/view/bugatti_type_32_tank/
Looks like it was designed for maximum lift
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Smoking Frog
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:27 AM |
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I'm also for running boards, would make the design flow much better with those front wings. If it's a modern theme fill the space in with
some side pods.
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swanny
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:33 AM |
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i had this discussion with our head of design once about whether he would consider helping out a kit car manufacturer who wanted to do something very
similar. his view was that as a design the 7 was so clean and clear trying to update it was a bit of a no-no. a bit like taking the iconic mini and
ruining that, which would be just terri... oh hang on....
but, you have a customer who wants it. i'd say the further you can get from a 7 the better it will look. running boards might not match a modern
looking enclosed front end, but you do need some ki nd of resultion to that front arch. maybe full wide pods would do the trick?
like the donky, but just not quite so stuck on looking?
why is he so anti (non enclosed arches?)
[Edited on 22/7/13 by swanny]
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DavidW
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 10:36 AM |
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I quite like this - it alrewady looks more succesfull than many attempts.
As others have said, I'm not too sure about the abrupt end to the cycle wings. May be worth looking at Peugout Le Mans car for some
inspiration?
David
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loggyboy
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 11:16 AM |
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Go mad and you eventually end up with something like this:
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Mistron
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| posted on 22/7/13 at 06:29 PM |
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Funilly enough, I'm working on the design of my '60s clubmans racer at the moment, getting ready to bud a buck. It came to me without any
body, so I have free reign to do whatever I fancy, but I have a clear view of what I want, and I have of course to set my design in the correct
period.
to me the main area of freedom with a seven is the nosecone (not much overall freedom, but a bit) and, more importantly the tail / rear end.
I used to own the Coldwell Mink, and it is providing the inspiration for my current car. here's an eraly tape line sketch to help me cut the
key formers for the buck:
rear lines by alastairbrownuk,
on Flickr
(ignore the traces of the sections from my last (still ongoing) project - an early '60s VW / Porsch mid engined GT called the Okrasa special -
google it if you have a spare few hours! )
And the rear of the Coldwell:
Mk1.
July-2nd-65-Mallory-rear-lo by
alastairbrownuk, on Flickr
Mk2.
Coldwell documentation 018 by
alastairbrownuk, on Flickr
This means using cycle wings all round, another visual change to the 'norm'
Should have the key elements of the design resolved over the next week or so
Cheers,
Al
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