bj928
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 07:53 PM |
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Q Plate, emissions and tax groups
Hi
some of you guys may know me as the mad sod putting a viper engine in a viento, well, the question is, because of the new tax classes i don't
want to be in the high tax bracket, so if i go for a Q plate, does that mean i just go in a normal tax bracket, and can i build the car without cats,
or do i still have to get the emissions as low as i can!!!!
engine is about a 2004 engine but i could make out its a 1991 engine block been built up to be a 2004 replica some how
or can i get round the highest tax bracket any other way, i wanted a new reg.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 07:56 PM |
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If you get a new reg it will get dumped in the highest tax bracket.
Q plate you will get visable smoke at MOT and the generic car tax, so £180 or whatever it is now.
If you have a Q plate, you still need to get through emmissions at SVA, which for a 2004 engine will be the std CAT test, can't remember the
figures at the mo though. Should go through OK if you fit a cat or 2 in your case  . You will need written proof of engine age at SVA.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 07:58 PM |
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I dont know the answer to your question but i think yours is a GREAT project
Make sure you keep us all up to date with your progress 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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smart51
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:01 PM |
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I've been a passenger in a Viper and it was fast. In a seven it will be just mental. If you get an age related plate then it will be classed
as greater than a 1.4 to £180 is road fund license.
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bj928
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:01 PM |
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do sva check the engine number, i could change the number to an early number, so if they do check it its an older engine, or what if i can't
prove the age of the engine as the numbers could be removed altogether, just looking at all the options, would like to not need cats at all.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:05 PM |
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This is where it gets complicated, and I could be wrong...
If the engine was orginally fitted in a car that had a CAT it will still need them fitting for SVA. As the Viper is a yank tank then it will have had
a CAT regardless of how old the engine is (americans fitted CATs to everything after the mid 70's IIRC).
The SVA man will check your engine age by verifying your engine number, and you need written proof tying the engine number to a date, probably have to
come from GM/dodge in your case.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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bj928
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:25 PM |
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just looked it up, the viper cam out in 92 with cats, so i guess i will have to run cats, bugger, well at least till its been for its sva
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big_wasa
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:40 PM |
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I dont think that is totally true. My zetec is a 93 and came from the factory with a cat. But as its pre Aug 1995 I wont need one in the locost.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:42 PM |
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Like I said I might very possibly be wrong on that one. Sure I have read it somewhere in the manual or heard it somewhere. May not apply to
'amatuer' built vehicles though, maybe only imports or something.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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bj928
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:48 PM |
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ok, what about age related then, i'm basing the kit on a granada, so if i get a v5 for doner vehicle and change the engine cc and number to that
of the viper engine before i use it as a doner, will that help, could use an old 86 granada v5
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ReMan
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:50 PM |
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I think you should be OK as long as you can prove engine age by documentation. The cat fitted to a USA car in 92 will be irrelevant in the UK if it
was post 95 that all UK vehicles had to have cats.
[Edited on 21/5/07 by ReMan]
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ReMan
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:52 PM |
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Age related plate is irrelevant to engine, only to doner running gear . The engine age is treated separatly for emissions purposes
[Edited on 21/5/07 by ReMan]
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bj928
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 08:56 PM |
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so i need to get a 92 engine number and have it stamped onto the correct place on the viper engine and make it look like it is original, no problem
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Humbug
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 09:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bj928
so i need to get a 92 engine number and have it stamped onto the correct place on the viper engine and make it look like it is original, no problem
...just be careful...
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russbost
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| posted on 21/5/07 at 09:32 PM |
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You need to prove it's a pre August '95 engine - the SVA & registration guys aren't stupid (well some aren't ) &
must have seen most of the scams b4 so I would beware - possibility it could be classed as fraud!
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02GF74
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| posted on 22/5/07 at 08:32 AM |
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although cats started to appear in 92, it wasn't necessary until Aug 95
oh dear, wish you pelpe do a proper searhc 
read this; see the bit about US engines; doubt you will be that lucky!
 
SVA emission
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bj928
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| posted on 22/5/07 at 12:45 PM |
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ok, this is getting complicated, i'm not fussed about getting through sva becasue i can get a cat put in and have a straight through made so the
cat can be fitted for MOT's but taken out when not wanted, but the thing i do want to avoid is the high tax bracket, how do i stay out of this,
can i have a new plate with old engine or do i have to go with age ralated or Q
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iank
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| posted on 22/5/07 at 01:29 PM |
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Why do you want a new plate? You know everything has to be new (with piles of receipts) with one reconditioned to as new condition component (which
in your case is going to be the engine). You will need a brand new gearbox to go with it BTW - I seem to remember you already got one with the
engine. Very expensive, low emissions limits (which stay with you for MOT), high tax that way, for a minimal increase in value of the car if/when you
want to sell.
You will likely be able to get an age related plate if you use all the parts from a single donor (or say you have  )
The rules are on the dvla website (Kit Conversion is what most register under)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246
Personally I'm going for a Q reg unless forced to take an age related plate. Much cheaper if you plan to keep the car long term.
p.s. getting caught stamping the wrong engine number on an engine may see you accused of ringing and the car crushed.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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