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Author: Subject: IVA manual (official release version) now available for download
matt_claydon

posted on 22/6/08 at 05:42 PM Reply With Quote
IVA manual (official release version) now available for download

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Edit: Final release versions now available here.
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For kit builders, Basic IVA (bIVA) is the replacement for SVA, which is covered by the first section. Full IVA is more like the replacement for ESVA and is covered by the rest of the manual.

Discuss...

[The discussion below mostly relates to the initial draft versions]

[Edited on 31/3/09 by matt_claydon]

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Mole

posted on 22/6/08 at 06:04 PM Reply With Quote
At a glance it seems okay. Appears reverse is required and a horn.
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Stuart_B

posted on 22/6/08 at 06:11 PM Reply With Quote
when will this take over from sva?





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kipper

posted on 22/6/08 at 06:20 PM Reply With Quote
IVA

Item 17... must be fitted with a reverse gear. Gulp.
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donut

posted on 22/6/08 at 06:21 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stuart_B
when will this take over from sva?
April 2009 i think





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Paul (Notts)

posted on 22/6/08 at 06:22 PM Reply With Quote
The biggest change will be the cost!!!!






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blakep82

posted on 22/6/08 at 06:58 PM Reply With Quote
hmm
not bad for most of you, a quick flick through gives me a few problems though... better get my arse in gear and get this car SVA'd before march next year...





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RichieW

posted on 22/6/08 at 07:00 PM Reply With Quote
It might stymie the fashion for BECs a bit. The bang for your buck wont be as good if you're having to pay for the reverse box type thing. (CEC builder here so I don't know what they're called.) Plus the extra weight penalty.

Might as well have a pinto.

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Mr Clive

posted on 22/6/08 at 07:12 PM Reply With Quote
Will it be a case of reverse needed for IVA but not required for MOT? If so, I can imagine a few "falling off" after registration.
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RichieW

posted on 22/6/08 at 08:13 PM Reply With Quote
I'm not up on the tech aspects but wouldn't that mean a new propshaft? Surely something extra's got to get between the rear diff and the bike engine?
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ReMan

posted on 22/6/08 at 08:54 PM Reply With Quote
Leccy reverse has got to be the cheapest, and least power sapping, if not the most reliable...
Perfect for the test then

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David Jenkins

posted on 22/6/08 at 09:00 PM Reply With Quote
There's a few new 'features' in this manual:

* Noise - down from 101dB to 99dB.
* Plastic fuel tanks have to be certified as fit for purpose.
* Horn
* Reverse (as discussed above)
* Reversing light defined (couldn't find out if it was now a required light)
* Two external mirrors will have to be fitted, plus the central internal one. (it used to be just the offside external + internal)
* Controls and warning lamps to be labelled (examples given).
* Space for rear number plate to be measured to make sure there's room, and that it can be seen from various angles.
* Wheel guards defined properly (affects front cycle wings mostly).
* VIN numbers defined (17 characters for us, but mass produced cars can have less).

I'm sure there's a few more gotchas in there.

[Edited on 22/6/08 by David Jenkins]





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RichieW

posted on 22/6/08 at 09:03 PM Reply With Quote
So it's wang a zetec starter motor on to a toothed wheel on the propshaft from now on then?


Falls off on the way back from SVA?

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martyn_16v

posted on 22/6/08 at 10:10 PM Reply With Quote
03A 7. Fuel Tanks must be positioned so as not to be vulnerable to damage from
protruding parts or sharp edges in the event of a front or rear impact (page 39). Could be a problem depending on the tester?
05 4. The steering angle must not be limited by any part of the steering transmission
system unless it has been specifically designed for this purpose (page 42). Presumably this means people fitting jubilee clips on the steering rack to limit lock, or putting springs on to get some self centring...
13A 4. If fitted to the Vehicle, an Immobiliser must be accompanied by evidence of
compliance (page 76). No noddy chinese alarms off eBay then?

I like the manual better than the SVA one, i'm finding it a lot easier to navigate. Hopefully i'll be finished before IVA but i'm tempted to build to the IVA manual anyway, it's easier to read






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AndyGT

posted on 23/6/08 at 08:51 AM Reply With Quote
"it must not be possible to manually adjust braking rates between axles" Page 55

does this mean that absolutely no brake biasing systems at all?

Could be difficult for some....

[Edited on 23/6/08 by AndyGT]





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AndyGT

posted on 23/6/08 at 09:01 AM Reply With Quote
some evidence of a crumple zone too!!!!

Page 79





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martyn_16v

posted on 23/6/08 at 10:13 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
some evidence of a crumple zone too!!!!

Page 79


I thought that, but that entire annex has been copied and pasted from the SVA manual...






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iank

posted on 23/6/08 at 10:19 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
"it must not be possible to manually adjust braking rates between axles" Page 55

does this mean that absolutely no brake biasing systems at all?

Could be difficult for some....

[Edited on 23/6/08 by AndyGT]


Think that's unchanged. Thus the current requirement to lock a bias bar.

Is there anywhere the general public can comment/get clarification? There a a couple of things I don't find clear (yet) and will no doubt be subject to tester 'opinion' for a while after introduction.

For example the 'information display' device could be applied to a bright 6 banning indicators/main beam/brake warning from the same 'device'. But since tintops are allowed to have warning lamps in the same dash I think they are referring to something with a LCD screen.

Second the fuel tank doesn't mention which 'required standards' are acceptable for plastic tanks, and on location what does "A Fuel Tank must not be located in, or form part of the passenger compartment, or
other compartment integral with it." actually mean (if it's behind a sealed bulkhead behind the seat is it viewed to be in an 'integral' compartment, if so what defines the passenger compartment?)





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martyn_16v

posted on 23/6/08 at 12:41 PM Reply With Quote
I wondered about the fuel tank location. MR2's have it in the 'transmission tunnel', is that considered integral to the passenger compartment as it runs right down the middle of it?

It's the bit about the tank being mounted where it's reasonably safe from damage in an impact that worries me. On a seven the tank is protected from a shunt by the rear panel only






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tks

posted on 23/6/08 at 05:06 PM Reply With Quote
i see problems in the emissions...

its stated that if it cant pass a BET test it needs to do a stricter CAT1 test..

i say stricter because it states 1st sept 02 onwards)

well it means that engine proof will become more important.. then not???

Idle (450 to 1500rpm)
CO < = 0.5%
(1 st sept 02 onwards
CO < = 0.3%)


Fast Idle (2500 to 3000rpm)
CO <= 0.3%
(1 st sept 02 onwards
CO <= 0.3%
HC <= 200ppm (parts per million)
Labda > 0.97 and < 1.03


Effective date:

“Effective Date” The “effective date” used to
determine the criteria applicable is -
the date of manufacture of the vehicle, except
for an “Amateur Built” vehicle, a “Vehicle manufactured
using parts of a registered vehicle” or a “Rebuilt vehicle” it
shall be 1 January immediately preceding the date
of manufacture of the vehicle’s engine if this is earlier.
If the “effective date” cannot be determined,
it must be assumed to be on or after 1 August 1979.


has this changed...??

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matt_claydon

posted on 23/6/08 at 07:35 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iank

Is there anywhere the general public can comment/get clarification?


You can comment by using the consultation response form here:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/typeapproval/

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chrisg

posted on 25/6/08 at 09:34 PM Reply With Quote
You can also email your comments/observations toIVA consultation

I and a few others have asked about an exemption for bike engined cars for the reverse gear issue - If enough people raise the issue it might carry some weight.

Cheers

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iank

posted on 25/6/08 at 09:44 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for that.

I'll gather my thoughts and send them off as one email. As my concerns are mainly about clarification and heading off inconsistent tester interpretations at kickoff hopefully I'll get a response - if I do I'll post it here.

However I suspect the reverse gear has been specifically introduced because of the BEC's so chances of getting it changed are probably slim. Though no harm asking I guess.





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posted on 20/7/08 at 08:56 AM Reply With Quote
ooh er. I've just signed up after months of day dreaming about building my own car (although I've been on the haynes and mig welding forums for a while). Does anyone reckon I'd be able to complete a roadster before march 09 lol?

All jokes asside though, just wanted to say a quick hi and intro myself to the forums. I'll be watching this section and the consultation to see how this will affect my build

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Jesus-Ninja

posted on 7/8/08 at 08:35 AM Reply With Quote
I've run the PDF through a pdf to html converter and zipped the output. It's a bit more portable, and most importantly I can now read it on my PDA whilst it coninues to rain here in the new forrest! might be useful to others....

I can't vouch for the quality ofthe conversion, but first glances it looks ok. Unzip the file, then run the IVA.html file..





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