nitram38
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| posted on 10/7/07 at 05:58 PM |
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Steering Rack Porn!
Just got my rack from Titan Motorsport to fit the MotaLeira.
It is 1 1/2" lock to lock and will be mounted in the centre of the car.
It cost £225 delivered with the mounts and gaiters.
It is custom made to fit the ball joints exactly with my top inboard pivot mounts.
The rack and upright will run parallel to my top wish bone.
 
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t.j.
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| posted on 10/7/07 at 06:10 PM |
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Too bad it's in the middle. 
If you mount it in my car you'll get a lot of steering problems.
So i'll keep my own old dirty simple escort MK2 rack 
[Edited on 10/7/07 by t.j.]
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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billynomates
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| posted on 10/7/07 at 06:13 PM |
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Looks like good vfm to me.
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DRC INDY 7
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| posted on 10/7/07 at 09:11 PM |
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looks like the 1 on our formula ford
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 12/7/07 at 11:49 AM |
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Nitram, does the £225 include the design fee or whatever they call it? IIRC you HAVE to submit your own design to them which then will not be used by
anyone else, and that there is an additional £80-100 one-off fee involved somewhere along the line which you only have to pay for the first rack made.
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nitram38
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| posted on 12/7/07 at 03:33 PM |
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I just got a shock, they took £466.50 off my card!
Apparently it was £275 for the rack and they charged me £75 for a drawing charge plus brackets/gaiters and VAT!
All they did was write in the dimmensions I gave them!
I bought a rack 3 years ago and it was only £250 delivered.
Looks like another supplier to avoid 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 12/7/07 at 07:00 PM |
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I did think £225 all-in sounded rather on the cheap side for a Titan rack, but £466 is more than I thought it would be 
I priced one up with them a couple of years ago with a few friends who would have identical designs (so sharing the "drawing" costs), but
was put off by their cloak and dagger type secrecy. Theyve made racks before for various Westies but were unwilling to offer any help/advice on some
of the less obvious dimensions / specs, so we didnt bother in the end.
I can understand the secrecy if making them for things like F1 and touring cars etc, but when its blatantly obviously a fairly bog-standard item for
something like a Westie, its a bit of an odd approach to doing business. If they designed racks themselves suitable for common cars like Westies and
Caterhams etc, they'd make a lot more money out of flogging standard items off the shelf than they do at present
Chris
[Edited on 12/7/07 by ChrisGamlin]
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gttman
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| posted on 13/7/07 at 08:08 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
I just got a shock, they took £466.50 off my card!
Apparently it was £275 for the rack and they charged me £75 for a drawing charge plus brackets/gaiters and VAT!
All they did was write in the dimmensions I gave them!
I bought a rack 3 years ago and it was only £250 delivered.
Looks like another supplier to avoid
I was just about to reply saying 'bloody hell thats cheap'. I paid £300 for my bespoke rack from Them but I collected and supllied the
drawings and had a batch of 3 made.
But being twice the price is one hell of a lot, did they quote your first?
Andygtt
Please redefine your limits
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NS Dev
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| posted on 13/7/07 at 04:49 PM |
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GB engineering, 150 quid (might be 160 now) 1.5 turn, yes its steel so a tad heavier but very well made
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Uphill Racer
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| posted on 14/7/07 at 10:17 PM |
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HOW MUTCH!!!!!!!
A late mini rack is easily modified, here is 1 I made earlier (do I get a Blue Peter badge)  .
Total outlay £20.00
http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i187/uphill-racer/?action=view¤t=Rack.jpg
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nitram38
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 03:12 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Uphill Racer
HOW MUTCH!!!!!!!
A late mini rack is easily modified, here is 1 I made earlier (do I get a Blue Peter badge) .
Total outlay £20.00
http://s72.photobucket.com/albums/i187/uphill-racer/?action=view¤t=Rack.jpg
I doubt that it is only 457mm between ball joints (first inboard) and a central take off though.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 01:04 PM |
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also doubt its 1.5 turn as well!
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Uphill Racer
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 02:58 PM |
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Correct, not 457mm, its 350mm centre to centre of ball joint. Short steering arms make it "quick".
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nitram38
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 03:21 PM |
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350mm or not. It would be unsuitable for my car as I would not fit within the wishbone arc as required. Also it is gear ratio of the rack and pinion
that determines how "quick" it is, not the length of the steering arms.
My steering arms will be around 400mm long each.
[Edited on 15/7/2007 by nitram38]
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gazza285
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 03:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
Also it is gear ratio of the rack and pinion that determines how "quick" it is, not the length of the steering arms.
Both influence the quickness of the steering.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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Uphill Racer
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 03:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
350mm or not. It would be unsuitable for my car as I would not fit within the wishbone arc as required. Also it is gear ratio of the rack and pinion
that determines how "quick" it is, not the length of the steering arms.
My steering arms will be around 400mm long each.
[Edited on 15/7/2007 by nitram38]
It was a mini rack, you cut it down to the size required. Steering arms are the sticky out bits on the upright that the tie rod connects to.
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gazza285
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| posted on 15/7/07 at 03:53 PM |
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I think he's confused track rods and steering arms.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/7/07 at 12:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Uphill Racer
Correct, not 457mm, its 350mm centre to centre of ball joint. Short steering arms make it "quick".
Yep, on my grasser I use short steering arms AND the 1.5 turn rack, which with lockstops fitted to stop steering before the trackrods go overcentre
with the uprights gives me 0.8 turns lock to lock, good for the old arm muscles!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 16/7/07 at 12:18 PM |
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Here you go, all £150
short (375mm) centre steer rack:
long (480mm) centre steer rack:
lefthand version:
RH version:
All off the shelf from berrisford, 1 turn = 145mm of rack travel, come complete with alloy rack clamps.
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