Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:04 PM |
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Fines for taking kids out of school ?
What's your thoughts, kid with 100% attendance record, both parents receive individual fines for taking said kid on holiday during term time,
not a regular occurrence a one off for example extending a half term break by 5 school days.
Thoughts ?
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richardh
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:12 PM |
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Still cheaper than paying over the odds for school holiday times.
Plus every time son's teacher is off, i send in an invoice for the same amount. 
Time for a change!
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r1_pete
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:19 PM |
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Mixed feelings on this one, Understand the cost of holidays rocket in school holidays. But also the impact on a class of schoolkids when one has
missed lessons and needs additional attention to catch up.
How about, instead of fines, parents meet the cost of additional tuition out of school hours so the kid catches up......
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steve m
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:20 PM |
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But surely its easier for the child to be ill, cough cough
that's what we did with my Grandson a two years ago, and the school even told my Daughter to do it!
He 13 now, and I would not let him miss the best part of his schooling now !!
steve
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Mixed feelings on this one, Understand the cost of holidays rocket in school holidays. But also the impact on a class of schoolkids when one has
missed lessons and needs additional attention to catch up.
How about, instead of fines, parents meet the cost of additional tuition out of school hours so the kid catches up......
The flip side can I fine our LEA for the 3 days lost this term to strikes? Can I fine them when the weather man says it might snow 3 weeks on Tuesday
so the kids are sent home? And can I ask why the kid who can't string two full weeks togethor over a full academic year parents don't get
fined? Just askin.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:36 PM |
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If as a society we are trying to instill a sense of responsibility into our kids for future working life then we should discourage rule breaking,
pulling sickies and the like.
Doing this when they are at school just sets them a bad example for later in life. It's harsh but IMHO the fines are not only appropriate but if
they don't make the absence prohibitive then they aren't large enough either.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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steve m
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:44 PM |
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Although I agree, that rules are rules, but the modern way of life means that we all get leave at different times of the year
I, and my wife, work in teams and every one in our teams would want the summer holidays off, to be with our kids/grandkids
(I would not !!)
So lets shut the country down between july and september to accommodate this ??
mmm, that would not work either !! as I work for an airline, and those times are the busiest and money making times we have
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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Smoking Frog
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:44 PM |
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Seems unfair to me. Can understand it if the parents were irresponsible and kept their kids off school for selfish reasons on a regular basis. For a
one-off it should be the parents decision. It's a shame we live in a society where telling the truth is not always the best thing to do.
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Dick Axtell
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 07:47 PM |
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Been told by Birmingham teacher that its not legally enforceable to fine parents for their child's non-attendance at school. Dunno how accurate
this is, but she should now - she was deputy head!
[Edited on 11/12/13 by Dick Axtell]
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morcus
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 08:09 PM |
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I don't agree with people taking the kids out of school but I think there are times when it is exceptable. I really don't agree though
with fines as punishment as it's usually fixed penalties which disproportionatly effect poorer people.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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owelly
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 08:22 PM |
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I live in a touristy and farmy area. Most of the parents of the kids that go to school with my kids are in the tourist industry with campsites,
hotles, guest houses, etc or are farmers. These folks argue that it's not possible for them to take a holiday during the summer due to work
commitments. But these same folks have already taken a holiday during the summer holidays anyway!!
Why not just get the schools to stagger the term times? It's not like we need a long summer holiday to help out on the farms anymore!!
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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sdh2903
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 08:26 PM |
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We do this fairly regularly I will openly admit. BUT, we only do it at the end of the school year just before the summer holidays with the schools
blessing. The last week of term they never do anything constructive unless its exam year. Its do this or we can't afford a holiday, and I work
for one of the biggest holiday companies around
And before we get on to the topic of holiday prices during school holidays, I used to detest this practice until I spoke to one of the finance bods at
work who explained that the bulk of our profits are made during very small pockets throughout the year i.e school holidays, we run at a loss for the
whole winter season. Without this all holidays would rise in price and the demand for cheap winter sun holidays during the off season would fall
through the floor and we wouldn't be able to survive as a 6 month/year operation.
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carpmart
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 08:34 PM |
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The only person who still goes to school in my house is my wife who is a teacher. I really do encourage her to take time off during term as I'm
sick of going on holiday at the same time as all the bloody kids are off! 
She never does bunk off though, mores the pity!
You only live once - make the most of it!
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Slimy38
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 08:41 PM |
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Our daughters school had the perfect policy, you actually request leave the same as a job. At least four weeks notice and they could determine whether
their education would be hugely impacted. At the beginning of term was a bit risky and could get refused, end of term was better.
But then they had to apologise and bow to the LEA rules. They seemed as disappointed as the rest of us. And now we still do it, but we have to pay a
fine.
It's unlikely we'll do it when she gets to exam age but for now it's the best option, not just for the cost but to be able to get
close to the pool while we're away!
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adithorp
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 09:07 PM |
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Trouble is that although it seems like a "one off" from the parent/child perspective, from the School/teacher perspective it's
100's of kids doing it.
As the heads and teachers are judged on the kids results, you have to see their point. Maybe a compromise would be better; The fine is only levied if
the kid fails to get his expected/predicted grades.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 09:14 PM |
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Kids education...cheap holiday...wonder which is better to have...
It's not a matter of 2 weeks missing maths, it's a case of not teaching poor attitude towards school and not giving the teacher a PITA
catching up a dozen kids who are all at different stages.
[Edited on 11/12/13 by coyoteboy]
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madteg
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 10:05 PM |
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Just take the fine and dont pay it Fu-k em. I have seven kids could you imagine how much i would cost me to take them in six weeks holiday.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 10:16 PM |
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I find it a bit odd that people have kids, then break the law because the law forces them to pay more. Doesn't that just mean you can't
afford to have kids but chose to anyway?
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PSpirine
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 10:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Although I agree, that rules are rules, but the modern way of life means that we all get leave at different times of the year
I, and my wife, work in teams and every one in our teams would want the summer holidays off, to be with our kids/grandkids
(I would not !!)
So lets shut the country down between july and september to accommodate this ??
mmm, that would not work either !! as I work for an airline, and those times are the busiest and money making times we have
You joke, but that's what a lot of Europe does (takes August off as holidays). France, Spain, Cyprus (personal experience), you can expect
pretty much everything to be closed for 2-3 weeks in August. Service industries tend to stay open for obvious reasons, but you'd be surprised
the amount of stuff that closes doors...
Not suggesting it's a good or bad idea, but it clearly works for some!
Other alternative is take holidays when it snows - the whole country here shuts down anyway. Take up skiing perhaps?
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Slimy38
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 11:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
I find it a bit odd that people have kids, then break the law because the law forces them to pay more. Doesn't that just mean you can't
afford to have kids but chose to anyway?
For me its not the money, its the freedom to go out of peak season and be able to do things when we want instead of queueing with the rest of the uk
just to buy an icecream. Little things like a round of crazy golf, one hour off peak, three hours peak, and its the same amount of holes!
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 11:42 PM |
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It's not just about the money. For some people who cannot get time off during the school holidays it is simply a choice of go in term time or
have no family holiday at all.
There was an interesting letter from a teacher in one of the papers a few weeks ago - it basically said that for an average or above average pupil
with good attendance, a term time holiday will have no damaging effects as they teach all the important stuff three times over to ensure that the
whole class has got it.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 11/12/13 at 11:51 PM |
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Yeah I was only kidding with the last comment, but I think if people didn't take the P they wouldn't implement these things. Give people
an inch and they'll take a mile. The bulk of people will take kids away and check they catch up after, some don't care. Unfortunately
it's only the kids that lose out - kids need protecting from stupid parents.
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beaver34
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| posted on 12/12/13 at 08:51 AM |
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how much is the fine?
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jossey
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| posted on 12/12/13 at 09:25 AM |
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i guess it depends on what year they are in. I wouldnt take my daughter in the last few years of high school but when she was 5-10 it didnt mind so
much.
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 12/12/13 at 10:24 AM |
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Interesting discussion. Here are some facts/details on the issue nationally.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/nov/29/primary-schools-parents-fined-term-time-holidays
Personally, I think fining changes it from a moral issue (the parent giving their child the best opportunity for life), and turns it into simple Tax
on getting a cheaper holiday that you can factor in when booking.
Matt
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