donut
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 02:32 PM |
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HD v's Blue Ray
Following on from the PS3 thread i was wondering which would be the better bet for future DVD players, HD or Blue Ray? When my DVD player packs up i
want to replace it with either an Xbox with HD DVD or PS3 with Blue Ray but i don't want to be left with a VHS / BETAMAX situation.
So which is it going to be?
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 02:42 PM |
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I think everyone would like to know.
I have to say I have been seeing more blueray discs advertised recently - like the new superman 3 film for example.
but I wouldn't buy till its settled. You could be stuck with a "top loading" betamax.
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worX
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 02:57 PM |
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Is it just me or do people remember the Betamax as being the better version?
They were just out-advertised?
I could be talking cods-wallop here...
Steve
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BenB
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 03:01 PM |
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http://www.news.com/False-starts-in-race-to-future-of-DVDs/2100-1041_3-6213412.html?tag=nefd.lede
appeared on CNET.news today....
Looks like it's too early to tell and most people can't be bothered to upgrade from DVD yet....
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Agriv8
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 03:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by worX
Is it just me or do people remember the Betamax as being the better version?
They were just out-advertised?
I could be talking cods-wallop here...
Steve
No Betamax was Vastly superior ( in picture Quality ) in fact most of your soaps are recorded in Betamax (S) - ( a betamax derivative ).
Certainly was when I last talked to a YTV camera man a while ago.
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 03:13 PM |
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Sony backed Betamax
Sony is blueray.
HD DVD sounds to me like it does what it says on the tin. It's high definition DVD. Dumb ass joe public will see that too IMHO.
I bought a VHS only because a friend of mine taped me the first ever 147 and he happened to have a VHS machine. Can't believe I paid about
£10.00 for that tape back then.
Good luck with whatever you choose. JMHO.
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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fesycresy
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 03:53 PM |
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I seem to remember that my parents paid about £550 for their first toploader VHS.
Also, wasn't there a better selection of porn on Betamax 
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The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
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Jonte
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 05:32 PM |
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Personally I think Blue-Ray is gonna be the winner. So get a PS3 with Gran Turismo 5 and have fun even when you´re not watching movies 
My sister got a PS3 connected to her 46" Sony HDTV and it´s really good. And all of a sudden her brother with son come often to visit her
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PhilCross66
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 06:40 PM |
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I hope its HD, if its Blu Ray and Sony that come out top we will all end up paying over the odds for it .
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greggors84
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 07:01 PM |
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I noticed too that the new spider man was only available in Blu Ray and DVD, no HD DVD. I wonder if the film is Sony distributed or something, I take
it blu ray players and HD DVD players both play normal DVDs.
Think i will go for PS3 for the moment and if need be I can always get an HD DVD if they become the norm and hopefully by the time that is they will
be much cheaper (and superceded by new technology!)
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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Gav
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 07:06 PM |
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Blu ray is the way to go, the specs for Blu ray disks and players are superior to HD DVD, they can hold more data and can transfer at a higher
bitrate, also take a look at blockbuster, they only sell blurays in the shop, asda sell both but have a lot more bluray than HD DVD, comet advert on
TV, the one with the signs, theirs a bluray sign but none for HD DVD. that must be conclusive proof!
Also Sony have finally decided to lift the ban on blurays being used for porn!
The market share is 68% infavour of BluRay as of this week too.
Edit: about some films not being available on one format of the other, some movie producers only support one format or the other and some only one of
them, ill try and find the full list of the major 7 or so
[Edited on 15/10/07 by Gav]
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PhilCross66
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 09:46 PM |
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HD has enough capacity and bitrate for a HD film, the extra capacity is unnecesary but they are trying to use it as a selling point.
Ive seen 1080p movies running off a dual layer DVD using a pc as a player, they are only 9 gig, nowhere near the capacity of either Blu Ray or HD.
I just think Blu Ray is all over priced, the players are about triple the price of HD, the movies used to be a few quid more too and for what, I dont
believe production cost of either player or movie is significantly different.
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VinceGledhill
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| posted on 15/10/07 at 10:41 PM |
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Can you get the zombie films on either ;-) Sorry, that's one of the first films we ever got from the Video shop in VHS
Regards
Vince Gledhill
Time Served Auto Electrician
Lucas Leeds 1979-1983
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Gav
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| posted on 16/10/07 at 09:00 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
Ive seen 1080p movies running off a dual layer DVD using a pc as a player, they are only 9 gig, nowhere near the capacity of either Blu Ray or HD.
I think you might find that was a highly compressed film that may not of been true 1080p anyway and with mp3 sound
A proper bluray or HD movie runs well into 20/30+ gig
for example casino royale was running at something like 40 mb/s so for a, arbitary 120 min film
60 * 40 / 8 = 300MB/min
300*120 / 1024 = 35.156GB!
[Edited on 16/10/07 by Gav]
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/10/07 at 09:05 AM |
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Betamax was always the better system - but the machines were much bigger and cost a lot more than the VHS ones (typical for Sony). The video rental
industry chose VHS, which killed Betamax for good.
The professional's Betamax is (was?) a vastly superior piece of kit - massive (2-man lift), very expensive and broadcast-quality. It
wasn't something you'd ever expect to see in a home...
I feel no great urge to pick either BluRay or HD just now - I'll wait until the dust settles. This is mainly because I rarely sit down and
watch TV anyway!
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Gav
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| posted on 16/10/07 at 02:39 PM |
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Interesting reading
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PhilCross66
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| posted on 17/10/07 at 05:34 PM |
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@Gav
The movie was 5.1 surround and 1080p , obviously it had been compressed from the original but it still looked fine on the 42" .
Just because the movies you can buy are 25 gig it doesn't mean they have to be. The bitrate for a movie isn't fixed, it can be lower
during parts with less action and much higher again as the action hots up.
All movies are already compressed, if they were in a raw state they would be huge.
The producers of a movie can choose how large they want the file to be and adjust the bitrates acordingly, the sound is left untouched and mixed in
at the end. This means if they have too many extras to fit on the disk they can always reduce the the film some more to make room.
Remember the early dvds were only single sided 4.5 gig, they had little extras but the quality was good. Now dvds are 9 gig and the movie is around
5-6 gig but this hasn't been done for quality, its been done to stop them being copied, or at least to make it harder.
Something like the simpsons movie if it comes out in HD and Blu Ray should be tiny, cartoons have less colours and this really saves space, but I bet
it isnt.
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Gav
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| posted on 17/10/07 at 06:34 PM |
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The size/bitrate of HD movies are like that for a reason.
Their is a huge difference between an image being "fine" and being high quality! and yes im well aware of of how H.264/AVC encoding works
as i write DVRs for a living!
Anyway if your happy watching higher compressed movies that fit on a DVD then fair enough, ill continue to buy BluRays and be happy with it 
Im must admit i wouldnt be so anal as to buy the simpsons movie on BluRay just for the sake of it being HD!
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PhilCross66
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| posted on 17/10/07 at 10:03 PM |
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Sorry I think fine was a poor choice of word. I should have said almost perfect, I could see very slight traces of it being 'digital'
occasionally, banding etc but then retail dvd's and sky do this as standard. I cant comment on HD or Blu Ray cos I don't own them, but are
they perfect ? Thats not what tests on either format have said, both formats also have some banding, chopiness etc.
The point I was trying to make is that @ 9 gig Im not watching some substandard cr@p, Im watching a movie so good most people would never realise
it's a rip. So making this movie a few gig bigger would easily clean up any slight flaws but it would still be much smaller than both HD and Blu
Ray.
HD and Blu Ray are both as good as each other and far better than dvd, independant tests have shown this, the extra bitrate of Blu Ray is not giving a
better image but it is being used as a marketing ploy.
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Gav
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 07:44 AM |
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BluRay and HDDVD are just container formats they dont directly affect the movies themselfs anyway as they both use the same compression codecs.
I agree with your marketing ploy point. However this goes for any product, if your specification is better than a competitors you shout it from the
rooftops, this goes for if its petrol RON, a cars BHP or a computers CPU speed, no matter if it makes any real world difference or not, on paper its
still "better".
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chris.russell
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 08:58 AM |
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how about one of the dual format players?
lg linky
for example
Chris
Mines a pint
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Gav
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| posted on 18/10/07 at 06:43 PM |
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Crikey that isnt cheap!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 19/10/07 at 08:06 AM |
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Personally I think Sony including Blu-Ray in the PS3 was a marketing master-stroke. It's an expensive bit of kit but many thousands of people
are happy to pay big money for the latest console, and are directly increasing the market share of Blu-Ray as they do.
At the end of the the however, it will be the film studios that decide the winner by making content available in their format of choice.
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