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snapper

posted on 29/10/17 at 01:39 PM Reply With Quote
Duratec tuning

Iíve just pushed the button and bought a Duratec engine for my Fiesta ST 150, the background is that the ticking noise I was told was definitely the timing chain and that it could be done in situ in a couple of days was wrong in both the diagnosis and the time it would take.
The tesult of this is that I still have the tick after nearly 6 dayís work.
I have bought a lower milage ST engine to swap for the ticking one and want to rebuild it and put it in the Fury.

So my knowledgable forum friends what are the different stages of tune I can consider?





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big-vee-twin

posted on 29/10/17 at 06:25 PM Reply With Quote
Mine is a Standard engine with a Jenvey ITB setup with dual injectors per cylinder.

Makes for a very drivable smooth power delivery.

Delivers 193 bhp which is more than enough for me.

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cosmicicecreamman

posted on 29/10/17 at 06:53 PM Reply With Quote
I've put in a standard 2.0ltr Duratec, from a scrapyard, with a set of SBD throttle bodies and 4 branch exhaust manifold. Made 196bhp on part throttle, probably 200bhp on full throttle.

It's awesome!!

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snapper

posted on 30/10/17 at 08:37 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks
I have just read an article by SBD and they say similar output with just ITBís, which is encouraging.
My expense will be induction and ECU then gearbox options which will be my next questions.





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ian996

posted on 30/10/17 at 09:06 PM Reply With Quote
I got my head ported by Neil roper for a reasonable amount, he was a third of the price of other well known outfits and has an excellent background and quality himself.
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snapper

posted on 31/10/17 at 06:29 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by ian996
I got my head ported by Neil roper for a reasonable amount, he was a third of the price of other well known outfits and has an excellent background and quality himself.


Thanks for the info, I will be taking the engine apart to identify an issue but my original plan was for a simple throttlebody instal as the pistons and rods can take around 200bhp after that Iím told I need to instal forged pistons and rods which will be an expense to far at this stage.





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snapper

posted on 1/11/17 at 07:13 PM Reply With Quote
Further questions....
danST has bike throttle bodies and management for £1500 but says 170bhp
SBD day beat 200 with tapered again for £1800
I donít want to go carb so what do people think about a Cosworth plenum and 60mm throttle body?
Iíll still need managment





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ian996

posted on 1/11/17 at 07:48 PM Reply With Quote
Should be fine I'd have thought. My bodies are 54mm on each pot!
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cosmicicecreamman

posted on 1/11/17 at 08:38 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by snapper
Further questions....
danST has bike throttle bodies and management for £1500 but says 170bhp
SBD day beat 200 with tapered again for £1800
I donít want to go carb so what do people think about a Cosworth plenum and 60mm throttle body?
Iíll still need managment


I spent a lot of time researching throttle bodies / Duratec tuning / etc. and SBD were the only people who gave figures with a graph to prove them. I can confirm the SBD figure is pretty accurate as I have the throttle bodies and have seen very similar results. I was also recommended SBD by at least two well engine builders.

BUT... one thing is... the SBD figure of 203bhp is with stand alone ECU and exhaust, which will bump up the cost, but, as you said, is something you will need regardless of which throttle bodies you go for.

BUT... one other thing is... the SBD throttle bodies will need injectors and maybe some other items which will bump up the cost.

BUT... and another things is... SBD do a kit which includes an ECU which is already mapped which will save you +/-£400 rolling road set up cost.

My thoughts were to buy one ECU for the life of the car, one exhaust, one set of throttle bodies. The SBD set up will not need replacing as you stage up the tuning.

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snapper

posted on 3/2/18 at 07:48 AM Reply With Quote
Things have moved on just a little and my direction whilst unchanged has moved towards a parts bin build, that is parts I currently have in store.
I currently have a set of GSXR 750 (they may be 1000ís) throttle bodies on a Pinto manifold and a Type 9 V6 gearbox which will be the basis of the drivetrain.
I have bought a Duratec to Type 9 bellhousing and a basic bellhousing to gearbox spacer.
Iím looking at a lighter flywheel that should take a standard clutch cover.
Iíll need a hydraulic clutch release bearing and pedal box to suit the Fisher Fury
Iím hoping the the Duratec clutch cover and driven plate will fit with the Type 9 or that a Sierra clutch plate will fit.

Questions.....
What clutch combination works with Type 9?
What replaces the electronic thermostat on the Duratec?
What alternator to replace the ecu controlled one?

A friend is struggling with Omex on a Duratec at the moment what other ecu is a viable alternative that rolling roads would be happy to setup?

Fuel injection will be a major fit to the Fury as the rear is bonded to the chassis and the tank is an MG Midget one, not easy to get at and not setup for injection.





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rusty nuts

posted on 3/2/18 at 08:00 AM Reply With Quote
Not sure how long a type 9 will last but BGH will give you a honest answer . Have you room in the chassis for a late MX5 box which fits directly to the Duratec ?
Emerald ECU is user friendly , they give advice over the phone and most decent rolling roads would be familiar with them , best of all Emerald have their own RR not too far from you.

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snapper

posted on 3/2/18 at 09:14 AM Reply With Quote
Iíve been properly ragging a standard V6 Type 9 with a 130bhp & 170bhp Pinto with no issue
The V6 Type 9 has higher rated bearings and rated at 155bhp 155 ft/lbs if it breaks Iíll get it rebuilt by BGH.
I like the idea of Emerald and will look out for one





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ian996

posted on 3/2/18 at 09:23 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by snapper
Things have moved on just a little and my direction whilst unchanged has moved towards a parts bin build, that is parts I currently have in store.
I currently have a set of GSXR 750 (they may be 1000ís) throttle bodies on a Pinto manifold and a Type 9 V6 gearbox which will be the basis of the drivetrain.
I have bought a Duratec to Type 9 bellhousing and a basic bellhousing to gearbox spacer.
Iím looking at a lighter flywheel that should take a standard clutch cover.
Iíll need a hydraulic clutch release bearing and pedal box to suit the Fisher Fury
Iím hoping the the Duratec clutch cover and driven plate will fit with the Type 9 or that a Sierra clutch plate will fit.

Questions.....
What clutch combination works with Type 9?
What replaces the electronic thermostat on the Duratec?
What alternator to replace the ecu controlled one?

A friend is struggling with Omex on a Duratec at the moment what other ecu is a viable alternative that rolling roads would be happy to setup?

Fuel injection will be a major fit to the Fury as the rear is bonded to the chassis and the tank is an MG Midget one, not easy to get at and not setup for injection.


+1 on emerald. They also do a specific loom which is pretty well made.
Use any alternator with the new loom, i have a brise, but the daihatsu ones are pretty lightweight. Mine is a bit close to the exhaust though.
You must be able to buy a standard thermostat housing, that's all mine has had. i've removed my stat and use a davies craig electronic water pump.

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peter030371

posted on 3/2/18 at 10:02 AM Reply With Quote
Lots of threads on here about going from a pinto to duratec. I think I have ended up with a Sierra clutch plate on the st150 diaphragm. That would fit the standard ST150 flywheel but I got a lighter one at a good price. The alternator was a small one off eBay. If you search for a duratec cosworth thermostat you will find a mechanical one.

I have also updated the injectors to bigger Bosch but still in the head, the standard Ford ones have the wrong connector for my loom and would be working flat out which is never good.

All this runs very well on an Omex 600 plus there engine specific loom. The supplied map got it running and through the MOT and then AT Speed spent a couple of hours getting it spot on.

I have a BGH type 9 and so far so good.

Rather than touch your tank what about a fuel swirl pot?

If you need any further details just ask

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jtskips

posted on 3/2/18 at 03:13 PM Reply With Quote
escort rs turbo clutch pressure plate ,early transit clutch plate , 230bhp no probs
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cosmicicecreamman

posted on 21/2/18 at 01:55 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by snapper

I have bought a Duratec to Type 9 bellhousing and a basic bellhousing to gearbox spacer.
Iím looking at a lighter flywheel that should take a standard clutch cover.
Iíll need a hydraulic clutch release bearing and pedal box to suit the Fisher Fury
Iím hoping the the Duratec clutch cover and driven plate will fit with the Type 9 or that a Sierra clutch plate will fit.



I think I have a new AP Duratec clutch cover that will fit an ST150 flywheel you can have for postage costs - I'm out of the country but PM me if you would like it and I have a look when I get back.

Stephen

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BaileyPerformance

posted on 21/2/18 at 10:34 AM Reply With Quote
We can offer Jenvey throttle bodies, fuel reg, MS2 and full install inc mapping for £2000 if that any help?

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