Irony
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 11:46 AM |
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Front Garden Garages and Planning Permission
Just had a offer excepted on a house. Its a good house in a nice area - however it only has a single garage with internal dimension of 8ft. This
much smaller than 11ft x 18ft garage I have at the existing place. Bit of a downer really. However the new place has a huge front garden. Its 18m
long and 14m and I thought I could just erect a garage there and convert the existing 'part of the house garage' into a playroom. But NO.
Apparently I will need planning permission for such a thing.
Has anyone ever put up a garage in the front garden and did you get planning permission for it. It will be a bummer if I don't get it. I had
the offer accepted this morning so I haven't signed yet!
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jps
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:02 PM |
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I've bought a place with vague ideas of extending. Bought before looking into the in's and out's of extending and have subsequently
discovered that there is a 'building line' on the plot - in front of which cannot be built. So although I have about 5m of space from
front of house to edge of plot - i can't put anything on it.
Worth looking to see if anyone else on the street has done it - planning is not an exact science - so if the 'street scene' is already
full of properties with garages at the front it *may* be more likely to go through... (by no means guaranteed though...)
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Smoking Frog
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:05 PM |
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Although I don't know the answer I think you would be struggling to get planning permission and I would not be tempted to do it without. As a
plan "B" would it be possible to knock the rear wall out of the existing garage giving you access to the rear of the property where
hopefully you can build a larger garage.
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whitestu
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:12 PM |
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Do any other houses close by have a garage at the front? If so you may be able to argue that the 'street scene' isn't affected.
If none do and all houses look similar you will have very little chance.
We managed to get our roof raised using this argument after being told it was never allowed as there are many taller properties nearby and all the
houses are different.
Stu
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MP3C
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:13 PM |
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You may not need planning permission if you was to keep your existing garage and make it bigger. This should help
Planing portal however turning the garage into a play room that is
attached to the house will require approval from building regulations as you will be turning the garage into habitable space. If you do require
planning permission be prepared for a lengthy procedure going back and forth between you and the planners. You can book a pre-application meeting
usually and they will help run you though procedures and tell you if you require planning permission or not.
Matt
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Irony
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:14 PM |
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I could open up the existing garage and put something up in the back. But that would be annoying as I could turn the existing garage into a room.
I have been down the street on Google Street view and there are two houses with white PVC conservetries on the front which look hideous and one fella
who has extended his garage forward. So something may be done.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:16 PM |
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You could risk just building it anyway, planning has only a limited number of years to receive a complaint before they can do nothing about it,
it's called the 4 and 10 year rule after which you just apply for retrospective planning permission. Off course it all depends on how likely
someone it is to complain. Most folk don't give a second thought to a garage unless it blocks there view etc
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MP3C
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
You could risk just building it anyway, planning has only a limited number of years to receive a complaint before they can do nothing about it,
it's called the 4 and 10 year rule after which you just apply for retrospective planning permission. Off course it all depends on how likely
someone it is to complain. Most folk don't give a second thought to a garage unless it blocks there view etc
Doing this method you can find out which of your neighbors are nosy b******s or not 
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MP3C
Doing this method you can find out which of your neighbors are nosy b******s or not
Or maybe the ones that would appreciate being informed before sticking up an eyesore?
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ashg
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:47 PM |
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don't build it without pp. there is a rule that states you cannot build forward of the principal elevation without planning permission.
if you really need a house with a big garage keep looking there is always another one you will like more than the last.
Anything With Tits or Wheels Will cost you MONEY!!
Haynes Roadster (Finished)
Exocet (Finished & Sold)
New Project (Started)
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daveb666
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 12:53 PM |
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View of the street so we can see the house/houses?
VERY unlikely you'll be able to add a garage to a front garden.
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Irony
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 01:02 PM |
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Description
 
Description
Its the house whos garden is hidden behind the hedge. The hedge is probably a couple of foot higher than is those images.
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jps
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 01:14 PM |
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Buy it. Grow the hedge another 10ft. Build whatever you want. Wait 4 years. Apply for retrospective PP. Job done.
What could possibly go wrong?
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designer
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 01:16 PM |
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A garage put in the garden would look awful, extend what you have.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 01:18 PM |
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I don't think you have a cat in he**s chance of getting planning permission to build a garage in front of the building line there.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Irony
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 01:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by designer
A garage put in the garden would look awful, extend what you have.
Disagree, I grew up in inner city Leicester and front gardens in my opinion are pretty pointless. You couldn't have anything nice in your front
garden where I grew up as people would either nick it, dump crap in it or generally use it a waste ground. Besides I am not talking about some nasty
breeze block garage. I will build something nice.
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daveb666
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 02:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
Description
Description
Its the house whos garden is hidden behind the hedge. The hedge is probably a couple of foot higher than is those images.
No chance - only way round it would be to buy the LARGEST timber shed you can and put it on a concrete base; that way not a permanent structure.
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nick205
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 02:35 PM |
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Can't see you getting PP for anything forward of the existing building line. We're on the lookout for a new house and I've
investigated a couple recently for similar reasons. The only thing you can generally add is porches.
You might get away with a car port extending from the front of the garage.
[Edited on 17/7/13 by nick205]
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Irony
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 02:43 PM |
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What about a prefabricated concrete garage. Are they classed as temporary strutters? I thought I would need PP for a concrete base anyway?
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MP3C
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 02:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by MP3C
Doing this method you can find out which of your neighbors are nosy b******s or not
Or maybe the ones that would appreciate being informed before sticking up an eyesore?
Through experience as a building surveyor/developments assistant it's not the people who are not informed that complain. It's people who
have nothing better to do even when being informed that tend to stick their noses in and in most cases it's people who aren't affected by
the development. 
Matt
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daveb666
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 03:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
What about a prefabricated concrete garage. Are they classed as temporary strutters? I thought I would need PP for a concrete base anyway?
Will I need planning permission if I add a garage or carport to my property?
For already constructed garages which you buy ready-made, the law defines them as pre-cast concrete sectional garages and states that in the majority
of cases you do not need planning permission, as they are deemed temporary structures. However, that need not necessarily apply to your specific
building, so to be on the safe side contact your local authority planning office to discuss if you require planning or not.
It is worth noting that you may need planning permission if your proposed building falls into one of the following categories:
The proposed building goes beyond the front elevation of your house (unless you have a very large front garden).
More than half the area of your garden is covered by the proposed building.
The building is more than 3 metres high, or 4m if an apex roof.
The garage is within one metre of your existing house wall.
The building is going to be attached to the wall of a dwelling.
You may not need planning permission, but may fall under building regulations if:
The floor area of the building exceeds thirty square metres, or the total cubic area of the building exceeds seventy square metres.
Guidelines on concreting etc - http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/pavingfrontgarden/
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 03:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
What about a prefabricated concrete garage. Are they classed as temporary strutters? I thought I would need PP for a concrete base anyway?
Have a look here http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/ you might find this makes things
clearer for you
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 03:34 PM |
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Yes, I did build a garage in front of the house 'building line' in the South West, but it took an awful lot of effort to do it. Planning
permission is essential (full stop). It can't be done with permitted development rights, but extending the existing garage to the rear probably
can be. PD is easy and simple.
That estate looks like hell. Your neighbours will write/complain/impede anything. If there's a cluster (or even one individual) who's
retired or off work on 'disability', then you have full time preventers with no life. OK, so I'm cynical, but I have been there,
it's life wrecking. Once the council get a few complaints about noise/cars/undead people, then it gets really dire. Please think a bit along
those lines before you sign anything.
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Irony
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 04:13 PM |
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if I don't get planning permission for the front garage nothing is stopping me extending the garage rearwards and gaining length and putting
workshop area at the back. The rear garden is pretty large so there is plenty of scope for that.
I will try for planning permission on the front and see where it gets me.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 05:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Irony
I will try for planning permission on the front and see where it gets me.
Most council planning departments will talk to you (might charge a small fee) and give you a good idea about whether it is worth even applying before
you have to shell out the full application fee.
I have to say that I once had a garage at the front of my house and I couldn't do much in it with the door open because every idiot who came
past wanted to either interrupt me to ask what I was doing or to case the joint for removing valuable items later.
Much better to have a private area at the rear if you can manage it.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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