mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 10:26 AM |
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F1 showing its real colours
What a load of ****** that ferrari and the other spoilt brats are having. This more than ever has put me off watching that bunch of corporate driven
turkeys playing the political games. Like a Minardi is going to beat a F++++ or the redbull with the square jaw has been.
Waiting for the SHeik to roll out one make car and let the drivers do the business.
Until then we have plenty things to keep us amused.
RANT OVER comments welcome 
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flak monkey
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 10:41 AM |
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I too am looking forward to when the Sheik (cant remember his name) gets that race series set up with identical cars. (IIRC lotus were making the cars
for him, or at least had a big input).
Then it will be down to driver skill, not how much money you spend on electronic driving aids...
Bring back the days of proper race cars...then there will be some proper competition again (and we will see who can really drive...). Yes it may slow
the racing down, but at the end of the day it will make it much more exciting.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 10:47 AM |
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but on the bright side, ferrari have looked rather poor in testing! comprehensively beaten by other teams, like mclaren  all good.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 10:50 AM |
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i belive minardi were using last years car and as this years were suposed to be slower they didnt want a fluke win by the back row boys,they would
have been on home turf remember.
another reason i gave up on f1 years ago
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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tks
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 01:49 PM |
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the thoughts on F1 is ok
i like the idea of spending your last penny
for every BHP you can find..
also i like it when i see ferrarie lose from Renault...
knowing they spent every last penny..
since i come to this forum my degree to respect is very limited for Ferrari..
i one of our cars would competete to a Maranello or porsche..look what we do witht he money we put in it??
i think in F1 they should give points for money spended by the companies if you cab grab 10points but with a querter of the money of Ferrari i think
you do well..
also i think you should better compare drivers within one team...
look @ barichello is he really doing as well as M.Schumi..???
thats pure drivers difference..
and McClaren don't win from renault forget it..
its all about tracion and that something we should know..
low centre of grav..and with car is the clue..
TKS
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flak monkey
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 02:14 PM |
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The problem with F1 is that they dont drive the cars anymore. The cars drive themselves pretty much (with a bit of help from the pit crew) all the
driver does it point it in the right direction.
On one of the car programs (think it may have been top gear, a while ago now) they had a steering wheel from the new F1 cars. Control over everything;
traction control, LSD's, brake balance, engine tune etc all during the race. Its gone beyond the point of stupid. It would be very interesting
to see how well some of the 'drivers' could do without all the electrical wizardry.
Racing should be about man and machine, not machine and electronics.
I dont really have a problem with the adjustable engine tune, brake balance as thats all part of a good race car anyway but i do have trouble
understanding why such apparently good drivers need to rely on things like ABS and TC to put their cars round the track.
Money buys technology, the more money you have the more technology you can put on your car. Ferrari always winning hands down...so they persistently
win the races as well.
I liked the new proposed rules, which will severly limit the amount of technology on the cars, all have the same engine etc. Back to proper racing.
What other race series allows you to turn up with pretty much any car, in any state of tune? Other than F1?...thats not the way to run a race series!
eg BTC are limited on car/engines as is the DTM. 750 series is limited car and engine, rallying is limited choice of engine, formula student is
limited engines. The limits make the racing closer, less predictable and more exciting!
You may not agree with what i said...but there ya go 
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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clbarclay
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 02:25 PM |
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Watch a motor bike race, puts F1 to shame, you can actually see people driving the machines, not just an engineer in the driving seat fidling with
buttons on a steering wheel.
Not to be confused with an engineer fidling with Jenson Button.
The best bit about bike racing is that any part of the track is prime for overtaking on, its not just a pile up on the first corner followed by a 1.5
hour procession.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 02:35 PM |
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IMHO]Michael Schumacher rocks. He is quite simply the best driver in Formula 1 at the moment and one of the few living legends of our time.
IMHOWhy should a one make series be much different? Stick the current bunch of Formula 1 drivers in one make cars and Schumacher (M) will win
everytime.
IMHOStick Schumacher in any other formula 1 team, throw some cash at it and within three years they'll be the team heading the
championship
[Edited on 4-3-05 by Hellfire]
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monkey69
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 04:41 PM |
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Car specs for the A1GP car
Have a look at:
http://www.a1gp.com
Flash website, so can't post the direct link. The A1 Car link tells you all about the car, and is pretty transparent compared to an F1 car
specs. Lola have the car contract.
Looking forward to it, and I'll definately be going to Brands Hatch to see the opener
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Spyderman
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 04:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Michael Schumacher rocks. He is quite simply the best driver in Formula 1 at the moment and one of the few living legends of our time.
Why should a one make series be much different? Stick the current bunch of Formula 1 drivers in one make cars and Schumacher (M) will win everytime.
Stick Schumacher in any other formula 1 team, throw some cash at it and within three years they'll be the team heading the championship
Then maybe the best driver at the end of each season should go to the poorest team and so forth. Would certainly balance things out!
Schumi may be the best driver, but until things are even we'll never know!
You agree then that the other teams are not funded as well! In the meantime we have to watch the Ferrari merry-go-round.
Knowing what car and driver is going to win makes it B O R I N G ! ! ! !
Maybe if it was a lottery who drove what car each race? If all the drivers were independent and had to pick out of a hat which team they drove for
each week it would add some interest to the series.
Whatever, but anything has to be better than the current system! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Terry
Spyderman
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 04:54 PM |
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minardi have been allowed to qualify on sat......so maybe
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 05:20 PM |
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Aaaagh.... this is where having one name for two team members sucks!!!
IMHO Although I belive it is true MS is very good (no more) it is also true that whoever has the most money usually wins. This is true in life
not just F1.
IMHO Put MS in a Minardi - and whilst it might be said that their position will improve a few. It is not a one man team... he has the whole
Ferrari Co. behind him and that can't be a bad thing. If Ron gets his finger out of his asre and spends more money then Mc will reign once
more.
IMHO However, i should shut up... it's now become a F1 train with MS in front etc etc etc (yawn!!!) so I stopped watching it last
year...
[Edited on 4-3-05 by Hellfire]
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Avoneer
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 05:55 PM |
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Did anyone read the same thing I read somewhere about Ferrari altering the molecular structure of fuel so it is lighter?
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 06:08 PM |
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LMAO...
its on tonight isnt it? 0100 GMT qualifying in OZ.
looking forward to it anyway...
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 07:44 PM |
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shu sucks cos he makes it boring.
its almost certain that ferrari will win again - stuff about other being close is said every year and they still win by 2 - 3 miles.
F1 is a defective product
atb
steve
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Mansfield
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 07:52 PM |
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You can get just over 2/1 at Betfair for a MS Aus GP win - best odds you will get all season before qualifying. He will romp away, no current driver
has better resources or better ability to adapt to unfavourable conditions than he.
Please dont remind me of this thread when you have done your money!
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:02 PM |
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Thats the beauty of having one identity for two people. (Both can edit posts!!!!)
Schumacher doesn't make F1 boring at all. Are you suggesting he should lose a few times just to liven things up? Never. He is a born winner
IMHO
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gazza285
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:46 PM |
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quote:
Schumacher doesn't make F1 boring at all.
You are right, it would be boring whether he was racing in it or not.
[Edited on 4/3/05 by gazza285]
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scotlad
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 09:57 PM |
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Sorry but IMHO Shuey is a robot. dull boring and uninteresting. my goldfish has more charisma! best driver?? hmm best car certainly........
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macspeedy
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 10:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scotlad
Sorry but IMHO Shuey is a robot. dull boring and uninteresting. my goldfish has more charisma! best driver?? hmm best car certainly........
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 11:01 PM |
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i dont think it is a case of michal doing anything wrong, but more the fault of the F***ing Incompetent A**holes (FIA) as my phycis teacher puts
it
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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gazza285
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 11:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scotlad
Sorry but IMHO Shuey is a robot. dull boring and uninteresting. my goldfish has more charisma! best driver?? hmm best car certainly........
Yeh, bring on all the interesting drivers like, um....Coulthard, That Other Bloke In A Red Car (his charisma is such that his name escapes me), That
Jap Guy, The Bloke Who Pays To Drive, and the rest of F1 exiting crew. Role call, James Allen, Tony feckin' Jardine, Louise Goodman, Steve
Ryder and (god knows why he does it, he's enough money) Martin Brundle. Laugh a minute it isn't.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 4/3/05 at 11:42 PM |
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when i was a kid i used to love scooby doo episodes.
when i was older, i realised that every damn episode was the same.
just like f1
atb
steve
'if it wasnt for you pesky schumachers.....'
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Thats the beauty of having one identity for two people. (Both can edit posts!!!!)
Schumacher doesn't make F1 boring at all. Are you suggesting he should lose a few times just to liven things up? Never. He is a born winner
IMHO
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clbarclay
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 12:23 AM |
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F1 is the cutting edge of motorsport or at least it would be if it was not so restricted. The problem is that the technology is getting too good, the
cars drive them self with the driver guiding it round the track, spending most of the time in near black out.
Theres such a welth of motor sport out there, and all we get on normal TV is F1 and a bit of rallying. Its either late at night or a vary rare ocasion
that we get any other motorsport on TV.
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Simon
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 01:59 AM |
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Anyone else hear that, to keep Ferrari in F1, Bernies bunch are paying them
£70,000,000
over 5 years.
Thats fair. It also puts about 50 quid on the price of a ticket.
German Cobbler best driver ever. Absolutely not. Just very dull and incredibly arrogant. Oh year, and a bit lucky.
F1 sucks. BTCC/bike racing far superior.
If they want to make it interesting, bring back turbos, gearboxes (ones with a stick shift), proper slicks. Cars don't need to be safer - the
tracks have fixed that bit.
ATB
Simon
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