graememk
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:24 PM |
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Police camera van update
>see old post
>I emailed the road saftey partner ship asking if you can park in a bus stop and got this reply.
Dear Mr Capps
It is an offence to park at a bus stop if the location is clearly marked as in the diagrams shown below as these are designated Bus Stands or Bus Stop
Clearways.
Section 36 Road Traffic Act 1988 and Regulation 10(1) of the Traffic Signs Regulations 2002 state that no person driving a motor vehicle shall cause
it to stop within the clearway at any time or during the period indicated on the sign. This sign is similar to a parking sign and will say 'No
Stopping between (times) except buses' .
There are some exceptions to this which are:-
a) A bus being used in the provision of a local service stopped for as long as may be necessary to keep to the timetable (provided, in the case of a
bus stop
clearway, the bus is not stopped for more than two minutes), or to enable passengers to board or alight from the bus, or to enable the crew of the
bus to
be changed.
b) a Taxi to allow passengers to board/alight from the vehicle and load/unload their luggage.
c) a vehicle used for Fire, Police, Ambulance purposes.or
d) with the permission or direction of a police officer in uniform, a traffic warden or in special parking areas a parking attendant or
e) in circumstances outside the drivers control or in order to avoid injury or damage to persons or property, or
f) a marked post office or universal postal service provider vehicle collecting packets,
g) a trainee local bus service driver, or
h) in connection with building/demolition or excavation or removal of obstruction to traffic, road maintenance or repair, cleaning, maintenance of
street furniture, or works connected with the main utilities.
If the bus stop is not marked as shown in the diagrams below then the above offence will not be committed. There is no offence of simply parking at a
bus stop other than at a marked Bus Stand or Bus Stop Clearway.
There may still be a parking offence committed if the vehicle is parked on a road that has parking restrictions such as yellow lines. If there are no
lines it would then be a case of proving that the vehicle was causing some sort of obstruction.
I hope I have answered your question.
Regards
XXXXXXX
Casualty Reduction Manager
> I then sent the photo and got this replay
Dear Mr Capps
Thank you for the photograph, Whilst the driver is not actually committing an offence as the bus stop is not marked correctly
as a clearway it is not acceptable for our vehicle to park in that position. It does not present a very good image of either the police or the
Lincolnshire Road Safety Partnership. We have very strict guidelines as to where and how our operators should park their vehicles.
Each enforcement location is assessed and the parking area allocated. This vehicle should have be on the grass at the side of the
shelter clear of the footpath and out of the way of any pedestrians.
I have spoken to the driver and he has been advised accordingly.
Thank you again for bringing this to my attention.
[Edited on 15/4/10 by graememk]
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balidey
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:28 PM |
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quote:
I have spoken to the driver and he has been advised accordingly
Yes. Yes thats exactly whats happened. Honest.
EDIT: well done for following up on that. Now send it to the papers 
[Edited on 15/4/10 by balidey]
Dutch bears have terrible skin due to their clogged paws
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02GF74
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:29 PM |
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They almost got away with it but for you meddling kids.
Your name is now on the list.
[Edited on 15/4/10 by 02GF74]
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coozer
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:29 PM |
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Tossers..
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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sucksqueezebangblow
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:31 PM |
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Well done!!!
Se what I mean about them standing out by parking in odd places; "This vehicle should have be on the grass at the side of the
shelter"
Better to Burnout than to Fade Away JET METAL ~ AndySparrow © 
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handyandy
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:39 PM |
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well done on following this thru 
So, does this then mean that any "speeding" tickets taken by this van are now null & void?
In my opinion they should be cos that van is as bad as someone speeding......inappropriate consideration of the road / conditions / awareness etc.
as usual.........1 rule for "them" different rules for "us" ....
cheers
andy
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Agriv8
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 12:43 PM |
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what do we reckon river operators on a bonus?
Ps I read 'We have strick guidline's ' so how come they parked in the wrong place.
PPS they will soon be redundant as more and more point to point specs gatso are rolled out
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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carpmart
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 01:19 PM |
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Good job following this up!
Agree that you should send it to the local rag!
You only live once - make the most of it!
Radical Clubsport, Kwaker motor
'94 MX5 MK1, 1.8
F10 M5 - 600bhp Daily Hack 
Range Rover Sport - Wife's Car
Mercedes A class - Son's Car
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scootz
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 01:25 PM |
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Good on ya...
It's Evolution Baby!
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richardh
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 01:33 PM |
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nice one!
Time for a change!
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graememk
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 01:53 PM |
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i've just emailed the local council to let them know that there is an error in the road markings.
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thunderace
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 01:54 PM |
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"This vehicle should have be on the grass at the side of the
shelter "
it is not legal to park on the grass also.
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scootz
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 01:58 PM |
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Is it not... ?
It's Evolution Baby!
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stevebubs
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 02:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Is it not... ?
I don't think parking on the grass is illegal.
Driving over a raised curb, however, I believe is...
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stevebubs
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 02:16 PM |
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lMaBpMtd23sJ:
www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/regulationsforselfbalancings4565+1835+Highways+act+%22drive+on+the+footway%22.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=cl
nk&gl=uk
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adithorp
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 02:30 PM |
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Isn't the van exempt under exemption c of those regulations?
What is it about where the van is parked that makes breaking the speed limit OK?
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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graememk
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 02:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Isn't the van exempt under exemption c of those regulations?
What is it about where the van is parked that makes breaking the speed limit OK?
i dont think anyone has said breaking the speed limit is ok, just that the van is parked in a bus stop and thats just wrong, bearing in mind the van
has a designated area just infront of the bus stop, but by parking there the van is hidden behind the fence.
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omega0684
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 05:27 PM |
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err, i may have found a loop hole
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
Dear Mr Capps
It is an offence to park at a bus stop if the location is clearly marked as in the diagrams shown below as these are designated Bus Stands or Bus Stop
Clearways.
There are some exceptions to this which are:-
c) a vehicle used for Fire, Police, Ambulance purposes.
Is catching people speeding not seen a police purpose then?
[Edited on 15/4/10 by omega0684]
I love Pinto's, even if i did get mine from P&O!
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graememk
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 05:32 PM |
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the point is that just infront of the bus stop is designated standing for the camera van, and the van was parked so it was hidden behind the
railings.
the van was parked dangerously, making it blind for bus's puling out and the mirror of the van was hanging over the road waiting to take out the
next child on a bike, hardly fitting for a saftey van...
however you look at it its naughty
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omega0684
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 05:35 PM |
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point taken, cheeky Bar-Stewards!
I love Pinto's, even if i did get mine from P&O!
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 06:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by balidey
EDIT: well done for following up on that. Now send it to the papers
......... and stand by to see how many people appeal their tickets.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 06:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
Is catching people speeding not seen a police purpose then?
Not in those vans it isnt - as far as i'm aware. They're operated by the road safety partnership by police officers outside of their
normal working hours (on overtime) and so not officially a police matter.
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austin man
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 09:05 PM |
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Sed it to the paper they should be obliged to lift the fine as they are clearly in the wrong. A similar thing happened in my village, local paper
informed it made front page Police agreed to withdraw fines " if the accused contested" so any none local caught would have been fined
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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blakep82
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 11:03 PM |
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you should email him back, saying you'd like to know the outcome of the full investigation that will no doubt follow. 
inform the police also lol
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 15/4/10 at 11:09 PM |
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no comment
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