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Author: Subject: Project "Budget" Turbo zetec.
big_wasa

posted on 2/10/14 at 09:07 PM Reply With Quote
Project "Budget" Turbo zetec.

Turbo Zetec on a budget project.

I thought I would start a thread on getting my cheap as chips 2.0 zetec blactop engine to run in a kitcar using the ford Focus Rs ecu.

Aim is to get it to run at its standard 212bhp then remap to 250bhp then find something to put it in.

1hr's Work. Can I turn the immobilizer on and off.....Answer YES



There is an eBay dealer that sells the ecu's Wiring loom will be a modified st170 as the Rs loom's are much rarer. There is a guy that nocks the St170 loom's out for a tenner on eBay

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Jamesc

posted on 2/10/14 at 09:28 PM Reply With Quote
I used to have a Focus RS for a few years, awesome car for the money! If you need any questions answering, I may be able to help. If not, I'm still a member of the RS Owners Club and that's a wealth of knowledge for the mk1.

That sort of power made the RS come alive, can't imagine it in a kit - be prepared for wheel spin! Definitely watching this thread..

James

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big_wasa

posted on 2/10/14 at 09:31 PM Reply With Quote
Any info on the gt25 compressor maps. I plan to use a Scooby Td04 as there cheap just need to compare.
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AndyW

posted on 2/10/14 at 09:45 PM Reply With Quote
Mines now on sorn for 6 months......

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Jamesc

posted on 2/10/14 at 09:50 PM Reply With Quote
I don't have a map to show you, but I can ask on the forum if you like?

I remember someone did ask Garrett for one, but they couldn't supply it for whatever reason. The RS Turbo is a GT2560LS which I believe is specific to the RS. They usually sit happy at ~22Psi peak and with the right map produce 320hp+

How come you don't fancy the standard Garrett turbo?

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big_wasa

posted on 2/10/14 at 10:10 PM Reply With Quote
Cost.

Good tdo4's can be had for a third of the price and are easier to find.

But ifa gt25 pops up who knows.

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Non custom

posted on 2/10/14 at 10:40 PM Reply With Quote
Gt25 comp map
http://turbochargerspecs.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/garrett-gt25r-gt2554r-60-trim-270-hp.html

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Non custom

posted on 2/10/14 at 10:45 PM Reply With Quote
Would you not consider a t28r as fitted to pulsar gtir ???? Capable of bit over 300bhp and less leggy than tdo5 or t3 and readily available reasonably cheaply ....probably the best t2 turbo you can get in std form
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ashg

posted on 2/10/14 at 11:05 PM Reply With Quote
I have a 2560r which is basically a ball bearing version of the old t28. standard fit on a new nissan 200sx s15 and can be picked up for 550 brand new new! from turbo dynamics and good for around 330hp

http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/4665415001s-new-genuine-ball-bearing-turbo-for-nissan-200sx-p-1909.html

if you want to go mental then you can pick up a 2860r for about 600 360hp

even more mental is a 2860rs for around 650

if you wanna kill yourself then there is the gt3076r at 550 good for upto 525bhp lol

http://www.turbodynamics.co.uk/shop/performance-turbos-garrett-gt-ball-bearing-c-1050_1051.html?sort=3a&page=1

i mucked around with used turbos for a couple of years but finally splashed out on a new one and the difference is astonishing!

if you still want to go down the used route i have a 2-3 good t25's kicking about.

[Edited on 3/10/2014 by ashg]





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BaileyPerformance

posted on 3/10/14 at 07:31 AM Reply With Quote
I had a mk1 focus rs from new, kept it 7 years, did 115k in it.

Good car, but sluggish compared to the other fast fords I have owned.
The 1.8 turbo focus we did was a lot quicker and more responsive, the main issue with the rs is poor map from the factory. We have seen a couple of chipped/flashed/bluefin cars and they are better but still not right.

The only way your going to get it right is use aftermarket engine management, using the stock ford stuff is clever but a step backwards.

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fesycresy

posted on 3/10/14 at 07:44 AM Reply With Quote
Sorry mate, all our respect has gone for you now.

WTF radio station are you listening to





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Non custom

posted on 3/10/14 at 08:26 AM Reply With Quote
The new range of borg warners are receiving rave reviews at the moment also
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BaileyPerformance

posted on 3/10/14 at 08:38 AM Reply With Quote
The TD04 is a good turbo, think they are fitted to early Impreza's, common on MX5 conversions and spin up really nice, second hand ones are cheap too!
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matt_gsxr

posted on 3/10/14 at 09:40 AM Reply With Quote
Volvo turbos TD04- 15 and 16T make 240-250bhp stock and are pretty cheap on e-bay (~125).
Rebuild kits aren't too expensive (50)





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Neb

posted on 3/10/14 at 11:26 AM Reply With Quote
Big Wasa - will you run standard compression or fit a decompression plate?
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big_wasa

posted on 3/10/14 at 11:42 AM Reply With Quote
Standard. Or near to it. I may use the ford thicker head gasket used to correct the compression from skimmed heads.

I want to keep close to the Rs spec.

I understand that the Rs is not forged but half way between with sintered rods and pressure cast pistons.

Keep the charge cool and make sure there is no knock and I am sure it will be happy with 250bhp and that on a 50 engine will please me no end

[Edited on 3/10/14 by big_wasa]

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Jamesc

posted on 3/10/14 at 11:53 AM Reply With Quote
Standard turbos can be had in good nick for 200 - 250, but agreed, the TD04 is a good choice also. A friend of mine has a 19T on a saab B204, it pulls!
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big_wasa

posted on 3/10/14 at 04:53 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BaileyPerformance The main issue with the rs is poor map from the factory. The only way your going to get it right is use aftermarket engine management, using the stock ford stuff is clever but a step backwards


I fully respect your opinion Dale but your looking at this as a tuner who's customers want to get best from what ever they have put on your rollers.
For me I enjoy the challenge of making it work "what it says on the tin" for me its just cheap fun and keeps the brain busy. I know it wont do what a mapped ecu will do. But I wont have the same investment either.

I am told the standard map is very rich making it boggy ?

I really must sit down and learn to map.

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big_wasa

posted on 3/10/14 at 05:05 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Non custom
Gt25 comp map
http://turbochargerspecs.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/garrett-gt25r-gt2554r-60-trim-270-hp.html


Thanks for that info, with so few made it can be hard to get good info on them.

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Jamesc

posted on 3/10/14 at 05:16 PM Reply With Quote
You want to check that's the correct compressor map..

The standard map is known to overfull and also has a well known 'cough' at about 4.5krpm. I thought the ecu was regarded as powerful for an oem unit. There is a company who has managed to crack it and live map it.

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Neb

posted on 4/10/14 at 07:04 AM Reply With Quote
Will be following this with interest. Once through the IVA with the xflow, this could be our next step up.

Standard blacktop inlet?

Rs exhaust manifold?

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big_wasa

posted on 4/10/14 at 07:27 AM Reply With Quote
That's the joy of the oem ecu. It will need a cat but will pass iva / mot as it is.

The standard mondeo / focus inlet won't clear the steering column easily. The escort / fiesta will but will poke through the top of the bonnet.

There are plenum's like the ginetta / griffin / gbs that will work.

Yes the standard exhaust mani should work fine.

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Neb

posted on 4/10/14 at 07:45 AM Reply With Quote
I like.

I'm sure I'm being a pain asking does it need 1 live to fire up the ECU?

I'll see what I can find out about plenums. I take it that the starndard TB goes on the end of it.

Great project, Locost!

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baz-R

posted on 4/10/14 at 02:13 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
Standard. Or near to it. I may use the ford thicker head gasket used to correct the compression from skimmed heads.

I want to keep close to the Rs spec.

I understand that the Rs is not forged but half way between with sintered rods and pressure cast pistons.

Keep the charge cool and make sure there is no knock and I am sure it will be happy with 250bhp and that on a 50 engine will please me no end

[Edited on 3/10/14 by big_wasa]


silvertop gaskets are thicker and plentyful and not as picky on sealing face finish as mls blacktop ones

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AndyW

posted on 4/10/14 at 02:38 PM Reply With Quote
watching with much interest, mine now on sorn and this is going to be my winter mod. Starting to collect a few bits already!!

Just need all of the parts :/

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