Mr Whippy
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 posted on 9/3/09 at 11:17 AM |
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Ditch the ABS rubbish? would that save the vectra??
A while back I posted a problem with the vectra in that the sensor cogs on the CV joints were so rusted they no longer work and to replace them would
cost so much it wouldn’t be worth it.
linky to previous post and trully rusty part 
But I just thought, what if I chuck the ABS stuff in the bin and simply fit an non ABS master cylinder
that would save me having to change the CV joints 
That would work for the MOT???
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vinny1275
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:20 AM |
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You'd need to disable the ABS warning light as well - having the light on (ABS system not functioning) is a fail in itself....
I guess you'd also need to declare it to the insurance - if you have an accident and they inspect the car and find the ABS disabled permanently
they would be unlikely to pay out....
[Edited on 9/3/09 by vinny1275]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by vinny1275
You'd need to disable the ABS warning light as well - having the light on (ABS system not functioning) is a fail in itself....
Take the bulb out 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Danozeman
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:27 AM |
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How old is it?
My mates cav GSI we took the bulb out and unplugged the module. Never any more trouble and it went through mot's.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:30 AM |
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good point about the insurance, its a P reg iirc. I thought the MOT guy would object due to the ABS valve thingy in the engine compartment basically
not working, so was thinking of chucking that. The bulbs an easy kill.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:30 AM |
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Just fit new ABS rings to the shafts, last time I fitted them to Rover 45 it took 15-20 minutes per side, just pop the CV joint out the wheel bearing
clean up the the rusty bit of the cv joint and heat shrink the new rings on.
Job done.
Only thing to watch is the cost of the new rings varies greatly, some web base supplier try totally ripp off prices.
[Edited on 9/3/09 by britishtrident]
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minitici
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:31 AM |
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Are the ABS reluctor rings machined into the CV joints or are they the shrunk on type?
I just replaced the two split reluctor rings on my Suzuki - easy done and a lot cheaper than new CVs
http://www.reluctorrings.com
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:41 AM |
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I checked them carefully, as far as I can see they're part of the cv joint casting, though I know on some cars they are separate. See my
previous post for a pic when I cleaned it up.
though after looking at that web site, it lists Vectra rings....I'm not so sure now, looked one piece to me tbh, think I'll grind one off
and see what happens, cheers
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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smart51
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 11:49 AM |
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Does the vehicle take the wheel speeds from the ABS over the CAN bus? Modern cars do. Bin the ABS and lose the instrument pack and perhaps some
functions of the EMS. Old cars didn't bother with this.
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02GF74
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:05 PM |
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kittens cannt save
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I checked them carefully, as far as I can see they're part of the cv joint casting, though I know on some cars they are separate.
did you try electrolysis? 
with that much rust, it would be very hard to tell if they are one piece or not.
how much are replacement rings?
the bloke who made my trigger wheels should be able to make some replacements if you know number of teeth, outer diameter and inner diameter. ( my
estimate £ 20 max).
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by minitici
Are the ABS reluctor rings machined into the CV joints or are they the shrunk on type?
I just replaced the two split reluctor rings on my Suzuki - easy done and a lot cheaper than new CVs
http://www.reluctorrings.com
£40 for a reluctor ring seems like daylight robbery to me.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
Does the vehicle take the wheel speeds from the ABS over the CAN bus? Modern cars do. Bin the ABS and lose the instrument pack and perhaps some
functions of the EMS. Old cars didn't bother with this.
? dude really I haven't a clue what your talking about, are we still on brakes?? I'm use to pistons and pipes, not sci fi gizmo
stuff
< note the 70 year old engine tec I use 
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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minitici
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 12:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by minitici
Are the ABS reluctor rings machined into the CV joints or are they the shrunk on type?
I just replaced the two split reluctor rings on my Suzuki - easy done and a lot cheaper than new CVs
http://www.reluctorrings.com
£40 for a reluctor ring seems like daylight robbery to me.
No £217 (each) + VAT + Fitting from main stealer is daylight robbery (complete CVs - and they did not have any in the country!).
[Edited on 9/3/09 by minitici]
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nick205
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 01:41 PM |
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TBH Whip, looking at the photo in your other thread I'm wondering whether the MoT tester might think there's an excessive corrosion fail
regardless of the ABS issue. I've had fails on older cars for parts less corroded than those.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 02:03 PM |
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For Mr Frugal, you didn't look very far....
The rings appear to be 9.99 on ebay...
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=vectra+abs
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 9/3/09 at 02:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick205
TBH Whip, looking at the photo in your other thread I'm wondering whether the MoT tester might think there's an excessive corrosion fail
regardless of the ABS issue. I've had fails on older cars for parts less corroded than those.
true, but strangely the body’s not that bad really and its only the calipers and cv joints that are unusually corroded. I have no idea why that would
be the case tbh.
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
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smart51
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| posted on 10/3/09 at 06:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
quote:
Originally posted by smart51
Does the vehicle take the wheel speeds from the ABS over the CAN bus? Modern cars do. Bin the ABS and lose the instrument pack and perhaps some
functions of the EMS. Old cars didn't bother with this.
? dude really I haven't a clue what your talking about, are we still on brakes?? I'm use to pistons and pipes, not sci fi gizmo
stuff
[Edited on 9/3/09 by Mr Whippy]
Yep. The ABS uses the wheel speed sensors to calculate the speed of the vehicle. It then tells all the other ECUs what it is so they don't
have to guess. Modern instrument packs rely solely on this. Your vectra may or may not do this due to its age.
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