Zoophoria
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 07:51 PM |
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Wich engine to choose?
I recently posted a thread here about differentials, now, I have a question about engines, my budget is quite limited, so my question is wich engine
to choose?
Of course I want loads of power but I can simply not afford a hayabusa engine. Is there any older engines that still produce enough power maybe?
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 08:12 PM |
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tried n trusted Blade.........
nice cheap pre 95 motor, bomb proof in a BEC..............
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alister667
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 08:25 PM |
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I'm a blade man myself, although a lot of folks recently are going for the Yamaha R1 engine which apparently isn't far off a 'busa
and can be picked up slightly cheaper than a 'blade.
If I was starting a build tomorrow I might well go the R1 route.
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bike_power
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 08:50 PM |
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If I was starting again I'd probably use an R1 too.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 31/5/04 at 09:15 PM |
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After installing the 'blade. On the next car I'd like to try something different. Maybe an R1, Blackbird or Busa...
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phelpsa
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 06:36 PM |
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Try oil/air cooled gsxr 1100. Cheap (<£300), more powerful and torquey than blade (later models) very tunable, I have seen a mallock with a new
cam, carbs, flywheel, pistons do 190bhp, they are extremely reliable and the '92 model had 135bhp as standard and 90lb/f of torque.
Adam
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alister667
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| posted on 1/6/04 at 09:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
Try oil/air cooled gsxr 1100. Cheap (<£300), more powerful and torquey than blade (later models) very tunable, I have seen a mallock with a new
cam, carbs, flywheel, pistons do 190bhp, they are extremely reliable and the '92 model had 135bhp as standard and 90lb/f of torque.
Adam
Would it not be a lot heavier than a blade though?
The big thing about a blade is how light the whole package is. Mind you I know sod all about GSXR1100s!!!
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phelpsa
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 07:36 AM |
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No, it is about the same because it is air/oil cooled. It means you are not carrying around another couple of kilograms of water/antifreeze and a
radiator. Even if you do spend £130 on a new bigger oil cooler (you need to) it is still cheaper than a blade.
Adam
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 11:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
No, it is about the same because it is air/oil cooled. It means you are not carrying around another couple of kilograms of water/antifreeze and a
radiator. Even if you do spend £130 on a new bigger oil cooler (you need to) it is still cheaper than a blade.
Adam
Save installing a heater in the car too!!! LOL
Iwas quoted 1k for a blade engine with all the gubbins up here is the frozen north, Good or bad????
[Edited on 2-6-04 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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phelpsa
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 11:55 AM |
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In the middle. If you pull it out of a bike at the scrappie it will be cheaper.
Adam
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JoelP
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 02:59 PM |
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i thought they were loads cheaper than that. Jon was selling a blade for 300 quid once.
my zx9r was £410, the cdi was £16. fuel pump about a fiver. offsky.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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alister667
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 05:51 PM |
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The day's of cheap blade engines has long gone! 1k is about right.
It's a bonus if you were able to hear it going.
It's depressing to hear stories of folks buying pre 95 engines for peanuts
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Zoophoria
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 09:12 PM |
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The gsxr1100 seems very interesting, read a little bit about it, seems quite easy to tune.
But then I really don't know how the others are, like the r1 or the blade engine.
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subk2002
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| posted on 2/6/04 at 10:01 PM |
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Give colibriman a shout he might be able to sort you out with something.
Drew
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phelpsa
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| posted on 3/6/04 at 11:27 AM |
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gsxr1100 is not very popular because it is oil/air cooled so you would need lots of vents and scoops to keep it cool.
Adam
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Zoophoria
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| posted on 4/6/04 at 04:36 PM |
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I think I've decided to save some more money and buy somehting newer with a cat, cause if I build my car with an engine without emission control
I will have to pay a fee when I register it, and that fee is about 500£ so I guess its more fun to put those money on a newer engine instead.
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bike_power
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| posted on 5/6/04 at 08:57 PM |
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You can add a cat to any exhaust system, just get a second hand cat from a largish engined car.
Do you need lambda too ? Some people manage to get through the UK emissions test with just a cat and careful tuning.
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 6/6/04 at 03:18 AM |
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ENGINE CHOICE
Have you thought about the injection fire blade RRY 2000/1 929cc ,I have one fitted
to my MK INDY It passed the SVA with just a cat fitted, no lamda sensor ,and no fueling or ignition ajustments, you dont have to fit a choke ,and
theres a bit more power than the early blades. you can pick them up now for about £1000
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Zoophoria
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| posted on 7/6/04 at 09:35 PM |
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Unfortunately I need a lambda, cat and a carbon canister (not sure what that is though)
I think it has something to do with the tank ventilation, am I right?
[Edited on 7/6/04 by Zoophoria]
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Bo
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 01:39 PM |
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Engine
Yes you're right. The Carbon Canistor is for cleaning the ventilation from the gastank.
You can however use a carb engine and Megasquirt with Lambda and a cat, and pass the test. (I am thinking about it for my R1 engine, not sure however
if it will end up more expensive than the "pollution fee" though) 
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Zoophoria
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| posted on 8/6/04 at 08:30 PM |
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If its cheaper or the same as buying an engine that will pass the test, then I think I´d rather go for the megasquirt, it is programmable.. right?
Does it support "closed loop"?
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Bo
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 06:27 AM |
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megsquirt
I think it supports closed loop. I havent spent that much time investigating yet, since this is filed as "next years challenges"
The problem with getting an engine that will pass is that they are very expensive, we are talking 2002 - R1, GSX-R1000, 2000 - Blade and ZX-9R ?
before these years they all had carbs.
Happy hunting, and if you find a supply of cheap 2002+ R1 engine please let me know 
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PeetBee
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 02:25 PM |
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What about Suzukis RF900 or Yamaha's FZR1000 & XJ900?
These are engines that have reputations of being quite bullet proof whilst being really cheap. Also there are a lot of similar 750cc bikes out
there.
Is there a minimum cc that should be considered or anything wrong with using these bikes??
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crbrlfrost
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| posted on 9/6/04 at 03:18 PM |
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The megasquirt does support closed loop running off the O2 sensor, but it is a narrow band sensor at this point. They do offer a wide band amplifier,
but it is only for tuning right now as the ECU does have the capability to read it. The UltraMegaSquirt, which, last I checked was due out in the fall
or winter is supposed to support a full wide band lambda and is written in C language, so it may be a bit easier for a poor sod like me to read it.
Cheers!
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 16/6/04 at 01:09 AM |
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What the opinion on a pan european 1100 flavour or 1300 cookies and cream?
Both cost wise availibility and shafty. ST seem to speak highly of them.
Answers on a ten pound note.
 Answers on a ten pound note.
[Edited on 16-6-04 by mangogrooveworkshop]
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