Mark H
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 05:01 PM |
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My wife has earned 9 points in two weeks...
My friggin' wife has just gotten 9 points driving to her mum's over two consecutive weekends. With the three she got 5 months ago its not
looking good for licence keeping.
Two offences occured 11 minutes apart.
Anyone got any good defences? (Apart from i tell the pigs that some were mine, her preferred option!)
Mark Harrison and
Q986 KCP back from the dead...
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200mph
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 05:09 PM |
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sorry to hear that.......
but think, if you take some of her points... you will need to be *seriosuly* rewarded.
you could bring it up for years!!
all the best
Mark
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Hellfire
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 05:10 PM |
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Ask 'em for proof of ID as you are unclear as to who was driving at the time. Might get you off if they don't have proof it was you.
I've heard of a few companied doing it ONCE.
Otherwise tell her to slow down... 
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Chris_R
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 05:51 PM |
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it's illegal for the police to force a confession, so if they were camera's don't tell them who was driving. you'll prolly get
a few demanding letters, but they'll give up if you keep telling them that you can't reveal the driver. There's also a European law
that says that it's your right not to incriminate yourself. Just say you can't tell them who was driving the car as you "may"
incriminate your self.
A bit of slapstick never hurt anyone.
http://www.chris.renney.dsl.pipex.com/
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ChrisW
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 05:51 PM |
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Whats the offence? Assuming it's a speed cam job, can you claim she never slowed down between the photos (therefore only 1 offence
committed)
Chris
My gaff my rules
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 05:58 PM |
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thats a good idea, but i think they can screw you twice for one offence anyway! sure they'd come up with a way to do it.
if you notice the camera flash you can send off the v5 to a new keeper, but its usually too late to be believeable if you do it after the
summons/ticket arrives.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 07:31 PM |
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have a look on www.pistonheads.co.uk,there is plenty on loop holes etc.and good luck
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Donners90
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 08:52 PM |
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Ask the police to provide a calibration certificate for that camera, to prove that the speed sensing equipement was functionning correctly, and
accurately sensing/recording the speed. Generally that sort of equipement should be calibrated once, twice, maybe more times a year. If they
can't, then how can the prove that the speed it showed it is correct!? It's worth a go... You may get lucky.
HTH
James
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MikeR
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 09:28 PM |
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the first response is .... your screwed. Lots of people try to get round the system and the police are getting used to it.
Ok, seriously take legal advice. The people who specialise and have made a name in doing so defending speeding motorists charge a fortune. A bloke at
work was quoted 1400 pounds for his defence!!!!!! He then talked to someone who wasn't one of the famous expert traffic lawyers who basically
told him that he had no case in reality and to take the 3 points / 60 quid.
Good luck.
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Peteff
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 10:00 PM |
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The brakes weren't working so I was in a hurry to get home . Sorry but you look like going without a few meals to pay the fines. She may be
offered classes instead of points under the new rules, worth looking at.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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craig1410
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 10:34 PM |
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For what it's worth I tried the "I'm not sure who was driving at the time" defense but the responsibility of knowing who was
driving falls to the registered keeper and this defense isn't very successful these days.
I'd probably go for the compasionate defense in this case, and try to get them to believe that she had a momentary lapse of concentration. This
shouldn't be too difficult to prove because as we all know, Women always have lots of things going on in their minds...
I would certainly say that you should get advice from a solicitor or perhaps the likes of the AA if you are a member. Don't accept a fixed
penalty, go to court and try to plead your case. Take note of the road conditions, weather and traffic conditions at the times of the offences to try
to play down the severity of the offence. If it was a marginal speeding offence then that would help too. Surely 3 offences of doing 70MPH in a 60MPH
limit are less important than doing 120MPH once!!
Good luck!
Craig.
ps. Forget all of the above, just take responsibility for one of the offences and make sure you get a good "price" for it!! 
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/6/04 at 10:59 PM |
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or find a skint student who will take points for beer money - they dont ask for proof of insurance etc so it doesnt matter if the skint sod has never
seen the car.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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Mr G
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 12:00 AM |
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Theres no easy way out i'm affraid. I got scoped by a mobile camera and asked for the video/photographic evidence they had, took em ages to get
back to me so i had hardly any time left of the period they give you.
The photo had no date/time/speed on it at all. I still hav'nt found out if this evidence could of been used - it was just a pic of my car!
I bent over and took the 3/£60
I have heard (as long as they dont have a frontal view of the driver) that you send back the NIP stateing the other spouse was driving. They then
recieve a NIP and state that it was the other spouse driving.
As by law spouses can't testify against each other or something like that then the cases are normally dropped.
Pot luck city.....
Cheers
G
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Browser
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 05:40 AM |
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If she did it, she'll have to pay the fine, cop the points (and the upped insurance premiums) and like it. I got 8 points some years ago when I
first got my bike licence. 3 & £45 for 45 in a 30 and 5 & £100 for 57 in a 30. I knew I'd done it, I was in the wrong so I took the
punishment. That's what happens when you do something wrong you know.
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MikeR
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 09:18 AM |
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Just thinking about this again, you might be able to pleed that the two offences that occures 11 minutes apart are one offence and only get 3 points
instead of 6. I'm just thinking if you shoot someone twice or rob two things at the same time you don't get two separate charges raised
against you.
Again, legal advice needed here.
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spunky
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Many of the mythical 'get out of jail ploys' have been closed, ie. not signing the NIP. and your right not to incriminate yourself. IIRC
without a frontal clear and un-enhanced photo it is still possible to get cases dropped on lack of evidence against the driver. As for asking for
callibration proof, cops are wise to this and I'm sure that certificates can be 'produced' when asked for...
Do the maths and work out what the long term costs are gonna be, then, as metioned above, sell the points. Not as daft an idea as it sounds. It does
happen a lot. may cost a pretty penny though.
You have my sympathy.
John
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 09:43 AM |
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excuse me if i say this is COMPLETE BOLLOX.
I myself tried this in 2000.
I got the forms sent back to me 4 times cos I wouldnt send them in. Each time I was threatened and told that to fill the form in insnt incriminating
yourself (!).
Eventually, two police came to my place of work and interviewed me for 90 minutes. They travelled 30 miles each way to do this!!!
I got done 180 quid for what would have been a 60 fine - same points tho.
After the millions of fines from cams, not a single one has been successfully challenged in the court of human rights.
You cant fight the system. You are basically shagged. Live with it, sadly.
The only get out I thought of, is get your wife an OLD OLD car. If she is caught again, you simply dump it, and claim that you sold it a day before
the cam event to someone, who it turns out, gave you a flase adress. this way, unless your pic includes the face, you lose just the crappy car, and
cant prove its you.
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Chris_R
it's illegal for the police to force a confession, so if they were camera's don't tell them who was driving. you'll prolly get
a few demanding letters, but they'll give up if you keep telling them that you can't reveal the driver. There's also a European law
that says that it's your right not to incriminate yourself. Just say you can't tell them who was driving the car as you "may"
incriminate your self.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 09:44 AM |
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they just ignore this. Everyone tries it - they are not daft.
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Donners90
Ask the police to provide a calibration certificate for that camera, to prove that the speed sensing equipement was functionning correctly, and
accurately sensing/recording the speed. Generally that sort of equipement should be calibrated once, twice, maybe more times a year. If they
can't, then how can the prove that the speed it showed it is correct!? It's worth a go... You may get lucky.
HTH
James
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 09:45 AM |
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In nporthants, you have to be doing no more than 36 to get classes, and you cant invite yourself on - they have to offer..... still costs 60 quid
tho
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
The brakes weren't working so I was in a hurry to get home. Sorry but you look like going without a few meals to pay the fines. She may be
offered classes instead of points under the new rules, worth looking at.
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JoelP
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 10:01 AM |
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hey, thats blatant gusting!!!
quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
The only get out I thought of, is get your wife an OLD OLD car. If she is caught again, you simply dump it, and claim that you sold it a day before
the cam event to someone, who it turns out, gave you a flase adress. this way, unless your pic includes the face, you lose just the crappy car, and
cant prove its you.
doesnt have to be an old car, you can send off the v5 into a new name/address, ideally a number off the top of a known street with the correct
postcode. then after it all dies down, apply for a new log book in a (good) friends name. he can claim to have bought it off the same chava who you
sold it too.
BTW, this one does work
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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spunky
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 10:16 AM |
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If none of the defences or scams appeal to you, have your day in court and delay for as long as possible. It will take them months to process. That
way the missus keeps her licence longer.
Something I have thought about recently...
Imagine the chaos if everyone issued with a speeding ticket simply refused to pay. 1000's of tickets a day, 10's of 1000's a week.
The whole system would collapse within a few weeks.
Thats what the French would do if they were persecuted as we are.
John
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Cita
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 10:32 AM |
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The French never will have this problem...speeding tickets are only given to foreigners
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Cita
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 10:37 AM |
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As soon as my wife got home with the car i would park it in a nearby town and reported it being stolen a few hours before.
Let the police find out if it's true or not and they will have a problem giving a ticket.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 11:50 AM |
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that just delays the pain.
you still have to serve 'the time'.
atb
steve
(nto gusting, just replying to posts as they come up)
quote:
Originally posted by spunky
If none of the defences or scams appeal to you, have your day in court and delay for as long as possible. It will take them months to process. That
way the missus keeps her licence longer.
Something I have thought about recently...
Imagine the chaos if everyone issued with a speeding ticket simply refused to pay. 1000's of tickets a day, 10's of 1000's a week.
The whole system would collapse within a few weeks.
Thats what the French would do if they were persecuted as we are.
John
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 12/6/04 at 11:51 AM |
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this would be gusting tho....
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