Proby
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 03:10 PM |
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My factory built F27 Blade is quoted at 4 secs 0-60. I have an original magazine feature/article back from 1999 (I think it is, without digging it
out). They carried out the 0-60 test on a number of vehicles for the feature, according to the 'official timed figures' my car (in factory
spec) hit 60 in 4.07. That was in controlled conditions. At the moment I have maybe 125bhp?
EDIT: I'm now going to dig the magazine out!!!
[Edited on 16/1/13 by Proby]
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 03:44 PM |
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So the concensus is a bike engine is better/faster/lighter
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SCAR
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 04:47 PM |
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"which equates to 0-60 in 3.07seconds"
Thats faster than a 627bhp 6 litre V12 Mclaren F1 (550bhp per ton)
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 04:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by john-d
So the concensus is a bike engine is better/faster/lighter
in general they are lighter - the right bike engine and a super lightweight build (read: no windscreen, no carpet...) will give you a very quick car
faster - (0-60 see above) as for the top speed of any se7en is not going to win you any braging rights in the pub, the aerodynamics are slightly worse
than a brick...
'better' depends on whats most important to you - some people like crusing along with lazy V8, some like a revy 4 pot, some like smooth 6
pot and others like the screaming mental bike engine (rear axle gearing obviously has an impact on this too) - which one are you ?
as above the only way to find out for sure is to try them (at least get a ride in one of each)
[Edited on 16/1/2013 by mcerd1]
[Edited on 16/1/2013 by mcerd1]
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jossey
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 05:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by john-d
So the concensus is a bike engine is better/faster/lighter
Yup......
But r u sure you want the extra hassle for the iva.......?
Get ye arse to the next track day n passenger a few different cars ten decade that's how I choose the tiger avon bike engine.
No way I would use it on road though...
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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I predict a Riot
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 06:12 PM |
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You need one of these-
 
Sylva J16
Sylva J16
Sigma or bike engine. 450kg.
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 06:21 PM |
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Sounds silly but im not sure i like that
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unijacko67
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 06:33 PM |
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Go and buy a Reliant Kitten then put a big engine in it, light and fast, 0-60 in about 3 years at this rate.!!!!!!
Good luck with the search. 
http://www.kittenkitcar.co.uk
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scutter
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 06:53 PM |
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My 7 records 0-60 times between 4.9 and 5.1 with just under 200 bhp.
I wouldn't bother looking for MK2 escorts, but the main parts you need are on the bay all the time. Currently on
Turbosport (you may need to log in) is a LSD/disc braked MK2 axle for £200, that and a
quick rack are the only really big bits you need.
That axle with a BEC in my friends RGB spec car easily hits 60 in under 4. What I'm trying to say is if you want a light car then the parts are
about.
Regards Dan
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 07:04 PM |
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How do you use axle like that with a bike? Wouldnt it be chain drive?
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scutter
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 07:19 PM |
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Mid engined cars tend to be, but front engine rwd have a propshaft adaptor to replace the front sprocket. This goes to the axle via a reversing
gearbox normally (the costly bit)
Regards Dan.
The less I worked, the more i liked it.
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 07:22 PM |
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So the engine is fitted sideways so to speak?
Explains a fair bit hmmnn
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froggy
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 07:38 PM |
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A mate of mine went and hired a seven for the day and decided it wasn't for him . As he put it " I spent a couple if hundred but it saved
me a year of my spare time and 10k .
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phelpsa
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 08:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SCAR
"which equates to 0-60 in 3.07seconds"
Thats faster than a 627bhp 6 litre V12 Mclaren F1 (550bhp per ton)
Its also faster than a 600bhp/tonne Westfield on pretty much the same tyres. Its all down to gearing, weight distribution, suspension setup and power
curves. I sacrifice a bit elsewhere and gain in low speed traction and power spread.
Thats with 135bhp at the tyres in 450kgs.
[Edited on 16-1-13 by phelpsa]
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beaver34
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 08:59 PM |
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i would buy one that on the road, then take it apart put your own stamp on it
there have been some nice westfields kicking about the 5k mark with zetec's in recently
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40inches
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by john-d
How do you use axle like that with a bike? Wouldnt it be chain drive?
An adaptor in place of the sprocket.
 
Prop adaptor fitted
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:05 PM |
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Starting to feel pretty damn set on building one myself now... Whats the worst that can happen? I end up with a scrap chassis and sell on the rest if
i fail.
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BangedupTiger
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:09 PM |
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I dont think you'll cram an LET in, and if you could then i'd got for the LEH.
Personally, i'd go for a Z16LER, smaller, lighter and can still acheive silly power.
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:12 PM |
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Going buy the gibbs book then make myself a decent bench up.
I will have a mate pre cut and angle all the box section and label it up using his band saw at graft.
Tack together the frame minus engine mounts and then take it from there, bike engine is tempting as i could probably get a crashed r1 or similar for
peanuts, id still want 200bhp + so would require a tinker, sure that could be done at a later stage.
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john-d
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BangedupTiger
I dont think you'll cram an LET in, and if you could then i'd got for the LEH.
Personally, i'd go for a Z16LER, smaller, lighter and can still acheive silly power.
Leh an astra vxr jobby? if so they are expensive. As are the corsa vxr engines which i assume you mean.
I can buy a full astra coupe turbo with a z-let for £2k, id make a load back on breaking it.
A let is exactly the same size as a c20xe? Apart from the obvious turbo on the side rather than a huge 4 branch.
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parkiboy
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:52 PM |
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I'd go for a bike engined one if its speed your after, don't let anyone tell you they can't be used on the road, I have had no
problem using mine on the road, people complain saying the clutch its to sensitive in traffic, the clutch is more forgiving than any paddle clutch
I've used on other cars and if you use the correct diff ratio (I'm using 3.14) it is fine on the motorway.
I've been out in a few CEC's one being a 200bhp Zetec MK and yes that was bloody quick, but driving a BEC feels a lot more special in my
opinion, not even for the speed, its the the high revving, the noise, the sequential shifting. I wouldn't change mine for anything even despite
the problems I have had (due to being unfortunate and buying a bad build)
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parkiboy
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:55 PM |
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And just to add you don't needs target of 200bhp for a BEC, as they are about 100-150kg lighter on average. You want to be looking more at power
to weight.
If you do go for a car engine haven't you considered for F20c? 240bhp as standard.
[Edited on 16/1/13 by parkiboy]
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BangedupTiger
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 09:59 PM |
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Depends on how far you want to tune it, an LET is a good engine, but the LEH is a fer better engine. and not that expensive
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rodgling
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| posted on 16/1/13 at 10:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by john-d
The m3 did 5.2 sec 0-60 which felt fast at first but i soon grew used to it.
If you want a fast car then a good option is an M3 engine in a 7, it's a great engine. My car is 700 kg and will do 0-60 in about 3.5, 0-100 in
7.5. It still scares me, in a good way :-)
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john-d
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| posted on 17/1/13 at 05:48 AM |
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Had my share of valve clearences and vanos mate... If thats an s50 or 54 fook me yours must fly though
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