Russ-Turner
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 09:59 AM |
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I too read about Ferrari using a fuel from Shell that is lighter per part than what other teams use. Ferrari are in a unique position where they have
a very strong team allied with an excellent budget and a number one driver that is obviously faster than the number two. This means that they can cut
off the CWC and DWC by sacrificing Barrichello's position in the championship, showing that this is the most effective way to dominate the
series. If you look to previous years where team mates that are just as quick as each other in dominant teams have been allowed to take points from
each other throughout the season, it has sometimes resulted in the championship being lost to another team. Prost and Senna as well as Mansell and
Piquet are some of the examples of this. Like i said, Ferrari cutting off the Driver World Championship is the most effective way to win it, even if
it isn't the most exciting.
As for engineers in the pit lane driving the cars, this couldn't be further from the truth. As we know technology cannot be uninvented and
information cannot be unlearned.And the reason drivers like Raikkonen can enter the sport and be so fast so quickly is not because he has traction
control or a paddle gearshift, but becasuse the worlds understanding of race car dynamics is so comprehensive that year upon year cars handling and
understanding improves beyond what stood previously. We're too clever for our own good.
Personally i have seen bike races and the WRC but they don't do anything for me. Why don't we hear anyone whining about Rossi's
domination of Moto GP?
I agree with some posters on one thing though, A1GP should be very exiting and a welcome addition to an otherwise dull off season. It will do alot for
motorsport worldwide, firing up inter country rivalries. Even though very few people take part in athletics look at the support the Olympics produces.
Look at how England is when the World Cup is on (usually until the semi's anyway) A1GP is onto a winner. Surtees is backing the UK squad and in
my opinion the best candidate for the drive is Ralph Firman but we shall have to wait and see.
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gazza285
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 01:48 PM |
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quote:
Why don't we hear anyone whining about Rossi's domination of Moto GP?
Last 10 MotoGP results;
Valencia. Rossi won by 0.425sec
Australia.Rossi won by 0.097sec
Malasia. Rossi won by 3.666sec
Qatar. Gibernau won by 1.315sec.
Japan. Tamada won by 6.186sec.
Portugal. Rossi won by 5.111sec.
Chech. Gibernau won by 3.514sec.
GB. Rossi won by 2.945sec.
Germany. Biaggi won by 0.349sec.
Brazil. Tamada won by 2.019sec.
The championship was open up until the last two races, hardly the same as the Schumacher whitewash.
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clbarclay
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 03:06 PM |
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The reason noboy hears about bikes in the main stream is because some people at ITV are doing a very good job of getting money for old rope, aka
F1.
As for WRC, just look at the rally of great britan, in the 1970/80's it covered most of england and wales. in the 90's it shrunk to the
'rally of wales', and know its barely the 'rally of south wales' and barely lasts a weekend.
No wonder it doesn't make good TV, theres practicaly nothing to fill a TV prog.
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JoelP
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 04:24 PM |
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but no ones mentioned the qualifying yet?!?! he got wiped out... 
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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gazza285
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 04:36 PM |
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Because it rained.
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JoelP
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 04:52 PM |
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all part of the entertainment!
is there still 2 qualifyings this year? or is that a final race start position?
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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nicklondon
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 05:02 PM |
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2nd qualifying on the morning of race day so we dont get to see it  the times from both sessions are added to give the grid positions.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 08:13 PM |
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Given the difference between the current times, wouldn't expect there to be much change in relation to grid positions after tomorrows second
qualifying.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 5/3/05 at 11:11 PM |
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move the dec point one or two places and thats the kinda amount shu wins by
wouldnt a win by
Australia.Rossi won by 0.097sec
by somehting that wasnt arranged with the other ferrari be a novelty
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
quote:
Why don't we hear anyone whining about Rossi's domination of Moto GP?
Last 10 MotoGP results;
Valencia. Rossi won by 0.425sec
Australia.Rossi won by 0.097sec
Malasia. Rossi won by 3.666sec
Qatar. Gibernau won by 1.315sec.
Japan. Tamada won by 6.186sec.
Portugal. Rossi won by 5.111sec.
Chech. Gibernau won by 3.514sec.
GB. Rossi won by 2.945sec.
Germany. Biaggi won by 0.349sec.
Brazil. Tamada won by 2.019sec.
The championship was open up until the last two races, hardly the same as the Schumacher whitewash.
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907
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 05:39 AM |
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Well, are we going to see mass redundancy in the pit lane?
The sight of all those machanics doing bu**er all was strange.
And, will we get just ten cars cross the finish line in future races,
or will the FIA close that little loophole?
I'm not a DC fan, but well done David.
Paul G
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 10:41 AM |
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well that was slightly more interesting than watching my socks dry,have to agree about bikes tho,more overtakes in 1 lap than a whole F1 season.
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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greggors84
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 01:19 PM |
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As conrod says, the lead can change several times in one lap in motoGP, where in F1 it changes a few times in a race, and usually in the pitlane.
I will probably watch most the F1 races this season, as i am still interested in it. Its just a shame that the only thing you can get excited about
anymore is if a driver is going to get out the pitlane in time to regain his place. Last season i thought there was some good racing, but normally
behind the front one or two, the ferraris normally went out in front then the rest were left to race for the remaining positions while schumacher was
left for a nice sunday drive on his own. Its just a same all the tv directors always showed the ferraris not doing much and only occaisionally showed
the realy racing going on.
The A1 GP does look interesting, its what the sport needs really, a championship to to and rival F1, might give the FIA the kick up the arse that it
needs and start listening to what the fans want.
I think the reason no one complains about Rossi is as someone said the races are never 1 way, there is always overtaking down to the last lap, and
over taking can happen everywhere on the track, in F1 there is usually a couple of corners where they can overtake usually where they can outbrake
each other.
Also Rossi is a genuinely great rider, his move last season to Yamaha was like schumacher going to a mid level team like Jag, he did take all of his
mechanics with him, but Schumi couldnt do the same and win the champioship in his first season with them. And still it was another great season.
And what a great personallity as well! He truly loves what he does and he loves the fans as much as they love him. All hail the doctor i say, and show
more coverage of moto gp on tv. I never been to a race, but the british round at donnington is near my 21st birthday, so im going to go as a treat to
myself!
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 04:01 PM |
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but will A1gp ever be shown on TV? bernie wont allow it,i heard he wont allow tracks that host his baby to run anything that will compete with him so
you will be left with small indipendant tracks that are not owned by him/not owned by a co that owns a track that GP,s are held at etc.
he is a selfish midget determined on world domination of motorsport and will do his upmost to strangle it.
as for rossi,he is the master,1st time in a GP car was within 1 sec of schuie at fiorano (sp)
[Edited on 6/3/05 by theconrodkid]
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Peteff
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 04:31 PM |
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he is a selfish midget determined on world domination of motorsport
Not only that, he tried to get into snooker years ago but he was not well enough connected. He's never done anything to me but I also have that
opinon of him. He did rise from humbler beginnings but it doesn't make him any more appealing. I watched Brundle trying to talk to him in the
pit lane at a race last year and getting the back of his head and I thought then what an asshole. He doesn't do himself any favours, but then
again he doesn't need to. I can only say I don't envy his principles as much as his money (and girlfriend)
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Mark18
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 08:06 PM |
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Ah give it a few years and we'll all remember this as one of F1's golden era's.
Mark
"I don't know what I may seem to the world. But as to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore and diverting myself
now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than the ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." -
Isaac Newton
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 10:30 PM |
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F1 ok
As for Ferrari wining so what thay work hard and lets not for get the years that shewe put in helping turn ferrari round. To watch a team at the top
of its game so much so that they are in a different league. Lets hope the opposition step up and take it from them. Think of the feeling taking the
champion ship from the all conquering Ferrari.
As the rules to f1 are so restrictive i.e. no 6 wheals cars and other interesting things we are left with software and electronics witch unfortunately
cant been seen by most or even appreciated for the engineering in them.
The racing will never be close in F1 until the aro is significantly changed so that cars can get close together i.e. flaps on rear wings ala champ
cars.
Also as for the cars being easy to drive I would like to see what most of us would do a lap of spar in with a nice dry track. Then lets see who is
adjusting break balance, diff settings, shift revs, clutch profile, and all the oher systems while talking to the pits. All the drivers do during
testing/ racing.
F1 may not be the hardest or best to watch but lets not take away from the technical achievement of the cars and the ability of the drivers.
So while Ferrari may win again this year we will get them some time and it is +1 to the opersition to day
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JoelP
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| posted on 6/3/05 at 10:55 PM |
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i agree with blake about the driving being hard work - any one of us wouldn't be able to see past the puke rolling around inside our helmets
after one fast corner, nevermind an hours race.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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clbarclay
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 12:21 AM |
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They the F1 drivers are certainly better than most by a long way, they wouldn't be there if they wern't and for that they deserve
credit.
That does not mean that F1 is the best spectator motorsport despite having the best drivers.
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Simon
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 12:23 AM |
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Wipe out Hahahahahahahaha
Long may it continue
Another thing - why did Ferrari object to Minardi using last years car, when they did?
ATB
Simon
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 08:31 AM |
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personly I think that f1 is not a good spectator event however. I still like it
if thay whany a better spectator event thay need more overtaking witch will require some resnobly radical aro rule changes
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 09:08 AM |
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Apart from the sheer skill requirements!
I was told a story about a neighbour of a friend (yeh - I know...) who was a race mechanic. Him and a driver friend saved up and bought a 2 or 3 year
old F1 car (this was over 15 years ago). Got it on a track, the mechanic did some work and decided to run it round the track to see if it was OK.
First start he did a 360 when he lifted the clutch. He got going, but stuffed it into the armco a few turns later - several thousand Pounds-worth of
damage. He decided to stick to being a mechanic after that! This was someone who had raced at club level in saloons and specials.
DJ
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Originally posted by JoelP
i agree with blake about the driving being hard work - any one of us wouldn't be able to see past the puke rolling around inside our helmets
after one fast corner, nevermind an hours race.
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James
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 11:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Another thing - why did Ferrari object to Minardi using last years car, when they did?
Simon
Ferrari had last years car but with the bodywork changed to match the current aero rules.
Minardi had last years car with *last years* bodywork/aero rules.
You've got to admit that's something of an unfair advantage!
Cheers,
James
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 7/3/05 at 12:19 PM |
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also minardy turned up with all the bits to make the car legal for this yers regulations the sceptic in me says publisity stunt.
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