Agriv8
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 12:28 PM |
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OT - Wife's starting 1.4 TDCI - Fiesta
Wife's derv burner 1.4 TDCI Fiesta,
Is refusing to start first thing in the morning.
Chain of events.
Key in to pos 2 ( all lights that should come on come on and then go back out ).
Turn key to start ( starter motor tuns for a couple of seconds and then stops )
repest these step a couple of times and she will finally start.
Battery seems in fine shape ( bit I will check tonight )
So a couple of questions
1 even tough the 1.4 is a direct injection does ot still use glow plugs ?
1a if so any idea what resistance I should be getting
1b do the glow plugs always come on or are they temperature dependant ?
2 do some moden ( this one included ) cars have a starter time limit to stop overcranking and over heating the starter motor ?
Anyone have any other ideas ?
regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 12:33 PM |
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it does have glow plugs, they nearly always come on unless starting hot. they just dont stay on as long in warm weather.
ive never heard of the stop cranking business, ive had my tdci cranking for 40seconds with no issues...
worth checking out www.tdciforum.co.uk for help
ATB
will
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tegwin
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 12:45 PM |
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Could possibly be an imobiliser issue... have you tried a different key?
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Agriv8
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 12:46 PM |
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will
Star man just found this on the forum
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I took the car to the ford specialist today, only there for about 30mins.
He plugged a laptop into the dashboard,ran a complete diagnostic test and found no errors,but after a few mins discovered there was an update
available for the engine managements.
I think it was called COLD START DRIVABILITY.
So he updated the PCM calibration files and reset the parameters.
It cost £45.00.
under a Ford 1.4 TDCi Starter motor Cut out.
Wonder how much the main stealer going to charge. I will give them a call.
Thanks
Agriv8
edited to add it seems that post 54 reg have the updated EM map from new I suspect I will find ours needs updating
[Edited on 24/11/08 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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dinosaurjuice
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 12:48 PM |
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i think thats hit the nail on the head.
good luck with the dealers...
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smart51
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 12:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
Wife's derv burner 1.4 TDCI Fiesta
It burns Diesel Engined Road Vehicle? I've heard people say that their car eats trucks away from the lights but I didn't think they ment
it litterally.
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procomp
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 03:40 PM |
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Hi
I have a friend that has just brought a fiesta van with the same engine. When i did a quick search for any problems the one that cropped up was poor
starting. I take it it must be a common problem.
I will have a dig and see if i can find the forum it was talked about on.
Cheers Matt
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Phil.J
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| posted on 24/11/08 at 10:04 PM |
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Our 1.4 TDCi Fiesta is exactly the same. On cold mornings the starter will only turn the engine for 1 second before stopping. Been like it since new
(04), main agent couldn't find a fault.
I think it's an immobiliser fault as if you wave the transponder thingy under the dash it will often then respond and fire up.
Iteresting about an update being available, will look into that.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 26/11/08 at 10:28 AM |
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Wife reports that the 10 second work arround is working ok.
On cold and damp morning ( the damp does seem to make it even worse )
So procedure is wait 10 seconds after the lights go off before turning to the Crank possition and all is Ok.
Ps the wife say you are all very clever and can have a gold star ( she is a teacher by the way )
Regards
Agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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Donners90
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| posted on 28/11/08 at 12:45 PM |
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Had the same on my wife's 04 Fiesta. I have just had the guys at work to look at it and there is a software issue with cold starts. There is a
new PCM calibration available with the LC suffix. This will fix the issue. Vehicles builds up to 27/08/04 were affected.
The issue is such that at colder ambients, if the engine hasn't fired and run by the time it sees an rpm of over 200, the PCM disengages the
starter, and hence the no start. The new cal has the thresholds set higher so this doesn't happen.
HTH
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