deezee
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 06:59 PM |
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How much to install a Zetec?
It feels like I'm asking a dumb question, but I've been searching for an hour now, with no luck. All I'm after is the rough price
to install and run a zetec engine in a kitcar.
Does it NEED after market engine management and throttle bodies / dcoe's? Do they need new sumps, starters, bellhousing, clutches and
flywheels.
What I'm trying to get is a realistic figure for putting one in my car. I've been offered a Mondeo 2.0 zetec with all the ancillaries for
£120.... seems like a bargain. But what else is needed to run it, and run it to get through an SVA?
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 07:03 PM |
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Not done a Zetec engine myself but it may help if you can find out the age of the engine due to different emission requirements which may mean a
catalytic converter . It is possible to get an early Zetec running using a standard ECU (supposedly) which may cut costs?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 07:05 PM |
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You should be looking at the following for a decent spec install. I would run it on megasquirt and throttle bodies, solely because you have control
then.
Engine - £100 or there abouts for a lowish mileage one from ebay.
Clutch - you need a clutch plate from an early 1.6 or 1.8 mondeo to suit the type 9 input shaft. Should be about £30.
Type 9 and bellhousing - all standard here. Probably set you back £20-50
Megasquirt ecu - built you are looking at £300, they do come up secondhand and on ebay if you are feeling brave though. You want at least MS1 MSnS.
Throttle bodies and manifold - £50 for the throttle bodies and depending on your skillz either buying a manifold from boggs for £200+ or fabricate
your own.
So you are looking at around £500-800 depending on what you are willing to make yourself.
If you want to steer clear of injection go for sidedraught carbs or bike carbs. But depending on the age of the engine you may well struggle to pass
the emissions with carbs.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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pocket rocket
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 07:17 PM |
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no doubt a silly question but why can't you keep the standard ecu to save money?
Dam...iv consused my ability with my intentions!
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tcc21racing
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 07:33 PM |
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my crossflow to zetec black top 1.8 is currently at way over 2k and the engine is still not in the car, deepends on what power your after ect btw the
engine was only £300 brand new!
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whitestu
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:07 PM |
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Mine cost about £300 [converting from CVH] for a blacktop on bike carbs with megajolt.
Stu
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StevenB
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:11 PM |
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a cut sump from Scholar engineering...
about £200 - £220 I think.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:35 PM |
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Depends how "ghetto" you mind it looking 
We changed a crossflow for a zetec for £250-300 including engine, bike carbs, megajolt, exhaust etc. but I doubt we could do it for that again (much
luck on ebay*).
*For example a 1.8 Zetec with loads of bits including new water pump, CVH sump, clutch etc. for £50.
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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Krismc
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:38 PM |
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Mine was....
Engine - £200
ECU - £200
Wiring - £50
Throttle Boddies - £150
Cams - £385
Flywheel - £250
Hydro Clutch - £180
Short Sump - £220
Water Rail - £150
Alternator - £150
Clutch - £100
Pullys - £40
Tuning and other bits bring it to £2500 ish, which is for a running engine 
i wish i knew that You can buy a new engine with Ecu and throttle boddies fully dressed, ready to run for bout £2.3k
Ill sell you mine for £1200
[Edited on 23/3/09 by Krismc]
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pocket rocket
no doubt a silly question but why can't you keep the standard ecu to save money?
You can but you need a lot of the original mondeo loom to get it to work.
There was a post a good while back with a how-to including wiring diagrams.
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deezee
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:42 PM |
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Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm thinking its going to be easier to go with something a little older and easier to install for the SVA. I
have the 1.8 CVH from the donor, and the type 9. I guess if I put that in, then after, or for a longer term project, I could use the parts of the 1.8
CVH to help install a 2.0 Zetec.
But how come no one uses the stock ECU and inlet manifold? Then upgrades later (I.E. after the SVA?)
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coozer
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 08:50 PM |
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Mine was like this..
Engine £200
Bike carbs £35
Megajolt £95
Clutch £20 (ebay)
Inlet manifold £00 made it myself
2.0 cams £30
DOHC Starter motor £10
Easiest is a 1.8 from an Escort, no sump chopping mods etc. Water pump goes the right way, flywheel is much thinner/lighter than a 2L one.
Clutch is from a 1.8 Mondeo with a Capri release bearing.
Stock ECU needs to tak to all sorts of poo on the Mondy, door locks, pats ring, leccy windows etc or it wont work. There is a one from cvh engined
Orions and Escorts that will, the carbed version with coil pack ignition.
Standard inlet is too big, either over the top of the engine or hangs down the back where you need your steering shaft.
If the motors cheap enough and you go with carbs it should be locost.
If you dont want the 2L for £120 I'll have it
Steve
Forgot to mention the above gave me 155bhp (flywheel) on the rollers.
[Edited on 23/3/09 by coozer]
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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big_wasa
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| posted on 23/3/09 at 09:31 PM |
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The reason most dont use the eec-iv is most people dont like electronics and wiring.
Get a pre pats ecu and its not hard.
All you need is the loom out of the engine bay up to the three main plugs.
This Vid
Its running on the standard ecu but the carbs are running fuel due to not having a manifold.
Ive got two more ecu's from the scrapie that I am playing with at the min.
Cost, well my engine has cost the best part of £3k for 165bhp But I could install one with out a rebuild and all standard bits for about £150 that
will give you 136 bhp. Super chips come up on ebay and combined with a better exhaust and filter will give you close to 150bhp.
All down to what you can do for your self and what you have to pay others to do for you
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spud69
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| posted on 24/3/09 at 08:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by deezee
Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm thinking its going to be easier to go with something a little older and easier to install for the SVA. I
have the 1.8 CVH from the donor, and the type 9. I guess if I put that in, then after, or for a longer term project, I could use the parts of the 1.8
CVH to help install a 2.0 Zetec.
But how come no one uses the stock ECU and inlet manifold? Then upgrades later (I.E. after the SVA?)
I've done the same, its much easier to fit the cvh to get the car on the road for sva then a lot of the parts can be used with the zetec
conversion. I've done my zetec installation for about £400 with bike carbs and megajolt...
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 24/3/09 at 03:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by deezee
But how come no one uses the stock ECU and inlet manifold?
They are very large and bulky. The Escort ones go over the top of the cam cover, so would need a big bonnet bulge, the Mondeo ones hang down the side
of the engine, potentialy where your steering column needs to go.
It's not impossible by any means, but it's not necessarily a simple solution.
[Edited on 24/3/09 by MikeRJ]
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 24/3/09 at 06:32 PM |
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have a look at marcel's site, he's running a zetec on standard induction and ECU.
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