speedyxjs
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 posted on 22/5/09 at 07:27 PM |
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Broken stud made worse
Been trying to get a broken exhaust manifold stud out for the past week but despite breaking a mid size stud extractor and then drilling all the way
through, filling up with penitrating oil and blocking the hole to let it soak, it still wouldnt budge
 
Bastard stud 1
Screwed the biggest stud extractor in i had and (stupidly) used a 500mm bar to gain leverage.
 
Broken Stud Extractor
Then my dad came along and said to drill to the side of it, which i did. He then decided to use a screwdriver and a chisel to try to split the
stud.
 
Bastard stud 2
The only option i can think of bar a new engine is to bolt the manifold on, drill a new hole and try to get it centered so that i can tap it to accept
a bolt.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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r1_pete
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 07:35 PM |
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Spark erosion would do it, but that would mean taking it to a machine shop, unless you can find a mobile operative.
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austin man
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 07:36 PM |
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I broke a head bolt stud in my Austin Block some years ago, a local ngineer drilled it out and retapped it, I had the same problem extractor broke in
it . The engineer sharpened a masonary bit and used that to drill it out. (apparently there is a special way to sharpen the tip) get one of these
sharpened and use the bolting the manifold method on to ensure alignment you could use then retap
Life is like a bowl of fruit, funny how all the weird looking ones are left alone
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locogeoff
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 07:56 PM |
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Feel for you mate!
I've just sheared the cambelt idler bearing post off on my Ducati, been trying to build up the stud with weld which was succesful but that
sheared when I got the bolt welded on to it, could you weld onto the stud extractor to at least get that out?
I'll be having another go this weekend at getting a better weld on then heating up the barrel a bit then using some wart spray to try and cool
the stud down quickly and then give it another go.
Regards
Geoff
[Edited on 22/5/09 by locogeoff]
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 07:58 PM |
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How many times has it been said on this forum that the best place for "Easiouts" is in the bin??? Your best bet would have been to drill
it out and retap from the start.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 07:58 PM |
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Eeziouts are trouble I would never go near any broken stud with one.
When broken stud is to short for a stud extractor first option is to drill but you can't drill out a broken eeziout.
If even a a tiny bit of Ezziout is stuck in the stud the only option open is spark erosion
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BenB
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 07:59 PM |
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Easy-outs are the work of the devil. They snap really easily and are a bugger to drill out. But you can do it with patience and a ready supply of
drill bits. It would have been better to drill down the middle of it with slowly bigger bits until you could "fold" the thin tube of stud
into itself and pull it out. That's what I did when I sheared the head of a bolt off in my 'tina calipers. Of course first I drilled a
little hold and broke and easy-out off in it just for good measure so had to drill that out too.... Not sure what your options are now you've
drilled to the side of it other than going for something like a helicoil...
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:02 PM |
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When we stripped the head down, we used one on a camshaft bolt and it worked really well but next time i will definately just use progressively bigger
drill bits.
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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pgtips
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
How many times has it been said on this forum that the best place for "Easiouts" is in the bin??? Your best bet would have been to drill
it out and retap from the start.
Not true. I been using the Snap On easy outs for many years and I haven't managed to brake one yet even on the most badly seized studs. Not
cheap but you get what you pay for. Those 2 pence ones from your local market are only good for getting you in to trouble.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:13 PM |
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The ones i used were my grandads 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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pgtips
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
The ones i used were my grandads
Naff said.....
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:18 PM |
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ETA - your avatar is rather hypnotic
[Edited on 22-5-09 by speedyxjs]
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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Howlor
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:25 PM |
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How about you put an M8 or M10 nut over the broken area. Then try carefully welding on high power the top of the broken stud to the nut until the nut
is full of weld. Then while hot try a spanner on it.
Steve
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Wheels244
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:31 PM |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What Steve said.
The heat from the weld will also help free the broken stud.
This will work if done right.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:35 PM |
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Keep nibbling at it until the bits are all out, small drill down the side etc, it does not matter if central or at an angle.
Now drill and tap the hole for a much larger bolt, wind this in with super glue or similar on the threads.
Grind flush.
Bolt on manifold and drill and tap a new hole of the correct size in the right place, job done.
There is lots of meat in a jag head.
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Coose
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 08:40 PM |
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Easier still and less destructive, buy a cheap Dremel type drill and some 3mm tungsten carbide tips and gently grind away the old stud. You may snap a
few tips but buy plenty. Once out you may need to helicoil the hole as you'll probably cut into the old threads but it's no bad thing.
Spin 'er off Well...
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ashg
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 09:51 PM |
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drill it out and tap it bigger. then fit a helicoil to bring the thread back down to the correct thread.
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paulf
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 10:04 PM |
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When i worked for a general engineering company we often used to get local garages and fast fit centres bringing heads in for broken studs to be
removed.A lot of times they had broken easy outs in them which they just happened to forget to tell us about.
Quite often we would have to damage the casting to remove them and then rebuild it with weld , sometimes we managed to drill them using resharpened
masonry drills.
Paul.
quote:
Originally posted by pgtips
quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
How many times has it been said on this forum that the best place for "Easiouts" is in the bin??? Your best bet would have been to drill
it out and retap from the start.
Not true. I been using the Snap On easy outs for many years and I haven't managed to brake one yet even on the most badly seized studs. Not
cheap but you get what you pay for. Those 2 pence ones from your local market are only good for getting you in to trouble.
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Avoneer
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| posted on 22/5/09 at 10:24 PM |
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Weld a nut onto it (weld on the inside of the nut).
Undo with spanner.
Easy peasy.
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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NigeEss
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| posted on 23/5/09 at 07:23 AM |
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I'm with the weld a nut option and if that fails a good quality carbide burr and a Dremmel.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 23/5/09 at 07:37 AM |
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Main problem with Eeziouts is the whole principle they work on -- if they do get a sdould grip they expand the broken stud in the hole (same action
a Rawlplug) causing the stud to get an even better grip on the threads it is seized into.
Best 1st attack method is try and get the broken stud to turn with a sharp tool (masonary drill or old tap)
If that dosent work accurately drill a 1/8" or 3mm pilot hole in the centre of the stud then dril at 0.5mm below the tapping size for the
thread -- the remains of the stud might come out easily or you can just re-tap.
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Peteff
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| posted on 23/5/09 at 10:53 AM |
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Just weld it up and grind it flat then drill and tap it just off centre and oval the hole in your manifold. Put a washer behind the nut and no one
will know the difference.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 23/5/09 at 12:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pgtips
quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
How many times has it been said on this forum that the best place for "Easiouts" is in the bin??? Your best bet would have been to drill
it out and retap from the start.
Not true. I been using the Snap On easy outs for many years and I haven't managed to brake one yet even on the most badly seized studs. Not
cheap but you get what you pay for. Those 2 pence ones from your local market are only good for getting you in to trouble.
The "Snap On " ones are made by Ridgid tools IIFC and are a different design to Easi outs but you get what you pay for. I have a set of
the Ridgid tools and still rarely use them
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