StevenB
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apprenticeships - Wish I Was 17
Read this and cannot quite believe it.
Sports cars are uncool?
Not wanting a freebie to the Grand Prix?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2158484/Facebook-generation-shuns-apprenticeships-obsessed-site-learn-trade.html
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vanepico
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:00 PM |
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I'm glad you showed me that, I'll try and get a job there after I've finished my uni degree 
My dad told me not to bother with apprenticeships because with a degree you can get chartered etc and it would give me a better chance of getting a
job.
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franky
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:03 PM |
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dailymail!
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by vanepico
I'm glad you showed me that, I'll try and get a job there after I've finished my uni degree
My dad told me not to bother with apprenticeships because with a degree you can get chartered etc and it would give me a better chance of getting a
job.
my mum told me an apprenticeship was a stupid idea too, thats why i'm now 29, living back with them, doing rubbish temporary jobs i can't
stand, and now i've got one i actually like its only part time and not paying a huge amount more that signing on, and trying to get on an
apprenticeship, no one's interested in a 29 year old apprentice... lesson to school leavers, parents DO NOT know best.
i'm still trying to forgive her for it... at least if i decided to, and did it, and was in this s(h)ituation, i'd only have myself to
blame
wish i could sign up for it! the 1000 mile daily commute might be hard though, and i couldn't move near on apprenticeship pay
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AntonUK
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by franky
dailymail!
agreed... all doom and gloom
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StevenB
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:12 PM |
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Sorry lost me.
Whats the title of the newspaper got
to do with the fact Ansar Ali cant get
quality new staff?????
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Wheels244
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:24 PM |
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My dad advised me to get an apprenticeship on leaving school.
I started my apprenticeship in 1983 finished it 1988 and got ONC and HNC in Mechanical and Production Engineering during it on day release.
There are other ways of getting paper qualifications other than full time study.
I've never had a day of unemployment since I started work on 15th Aug 1983 despite being laid off twice.
Sometimes dads do know best.
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Chippy
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:31 PM |
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I did an apprenticeship, seven bloody years, was very hard on the almost zero money, (had to do spare time jobs to raise enough cash to buy an old
nackered motor bike), but, was never out of work, (well not untill I retired), but that is not the case these days. A lot of young people complete
there time and then the firm doesn't want them, just wanted the cheap labour. Strangely there is no requirement for a firm to offer employment
afer completion of the apprenticeship. Cheers Ray
To make a car go faster, just add lightness. Colin Chapman - OR - fit a bigger engine. Chippy
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A1
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:35 PM |
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I left school after S grades and went to college, got sponsored through and trained by a company now Ill not be out of work. Best thing I ever did.
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StevenB
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| posted on 16/6/12 at 10:58 PM |
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I went down the school / uni route and while
we got a small bit of hands on with welding
and electronics etc Ive always thought there
was far more room for a practical element
on the course. (89-94 to show vintage)
I actually wish I had some other skill
like bricklaying or plumbing or whatever
instead of "doing all the work from the neck up".
The story just baffles me.
If I lived near Caterham and maybe
didnt fancy the whole uni experience
I would definitely being applying.
As for the statement that young lads think fast cars
are uncool...In what universe is this?
And ..and ..I know people think F1 is a bit
predictable....but not this year....didnt
see that coming...and only one person
took the offer. The free offer???
If Mr Ali has a few free seats
going to the Spanish GP my
wife and I will gladly go.
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whitestu
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 07:12 AM |
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I did an appenticeship and loved it!
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morcus
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 07:36 AM |
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I've just had a conditional offer for one. Always has seemed the best option for me, I failed to get one when I was a teenager and sort of
forgot until recently.
I sort of skimmed through it and think what they're saying about intrest in computor gaming over actual driving is unfare, the reason is young
people can only afford to do it for real if they spend literally all their money on cars and driving. Also £17K a year doesn't seem like that
much money for a job like that. It's only Just over £8 an hour and in some areas you can get that doing really basic jobs, If I worked an extra
hour every shift I'd make that.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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scootz
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 08:09 AM |
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I would kill to get some sort of technical apprenticeship now, but alas I am over 20 years too late 
Hell, I'd work on minimum wage as a general dogs-body if it meant I'd get on-the-job training in something like car restoration or
metal-crafting.
It's Evolution Baby!
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morcus
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 08:22 AM |
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I would too, but the article seemed to be suggesting it was alot more money than it is. I currently Make about £14k a year as will alot of teenagers
who go full time in the jobs they have while doing A levels, and I know alot of people who don't bother because the reward doesn't seem
worth it.
I'd work for less than that, but it doesn't seem like a competitive wage, especially considering the money you could make self employed
with the same sort of skills.
I think another problem is alot of aprenticeships go unnoticed. The one I'm after I only knew about because my mother works for the department
offering it. I'd have applied to do one a Caterham if I'd known about it and was qualified.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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westf27
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 08:44 AM |
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interesting,if the car is what it says from the reg no. the seats and wheels have been upgraded ....shame.......oh and plus one for apprenticeships
[Edited on 17/6/2012 by westf27]
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vanepico
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 09:09 AM |
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Don't forget the minimum wage for an apprentice is £2.80 an hour so it could be worse! Uni said the average salary after you have graduated is
atleast £20,000 PA for an engineering job.
I've got an industrial placement as a CAD draftsman coming up in july 
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BigGeoff
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 09:33 AM |
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I am nearly a year into my engineering apprenticeship - had my 48th birthday this year - took 30 years to discover what I should have done when I left
school !!!!!!
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me!
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 10:07 AM |
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I went the degree route (graduated 2007) and ended up with a MEng. I found it completely bonkers that falling out of uni with virtually no practical
skills qualified me for a better paid position than people who have been doing an apprenticeship since they were 16, obviously I had known this and
thats why I took the route that I did. I had been helping my dad fixing cars + rebuilding engines and stuff (rebuilding model aircraft engines was a
favourite hobby when I was young- my dad had a bag full of them from his youth!), so I at least had some mechanical competence. Some people on the
course were just a joke. One lad put his hand up in a 4th year combustion chemistry lecture to ask what a reciprocating engine was!
When I left there was an exit interview with various lecturers about how to improve the course. I suggested buying a scrapper for £50 and letting the
students pull it to bits for a couple of hours a week. Their faces lit up as if to say "crumbs, thats a good idea" and then dropped when
they started talking amongst themselves about how they would get anyone to approve it. Joke!
I find it hilarious when new graduates arrive at work and swagger around the place like they know it all..... and then quickly get brought down a peg
or two by one of the old boys!
I'm sure the comments about grads don't apply to the current students on here by the way, it's the people who have no
mechanical/automotive interest and do the courses that get my back up. If I was doing it all again, with the current cost of a uni degree, I'd
be banging on Caterhams door!
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scootz
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 10:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BigGeoff
I am nearly a year into my engineering apprenticeship - had my 48th birthday this year - took 30 years to discover what I should have done when I left
school !!!!!!
How does that work?
It's Evolution Baby!
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gttztt
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 10:24 AM |
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My youngest (16 yrs) has a natural engineering mind. He can see what he wants and gets on and makes it. He has fantastic teachers at school who have
really helped him in "resistant materials" (Metalwork/woodwork etc) allowing him to use all the tools and machinery that some schools seem
to be averse to using due to ELFnSAFETY or more probably lack of knowlege.
He went for his week long works experience with a stonemason who was very surprised at his attitude to work. Usually the youngsters he sees want the
money but are not willing to put the effort in, typically lasting about an hour before getting bored and not coming in the following day. My lad loved
it and went on site with the masons to assist. He went back in the summer for a further week - for fun. The reports back were all very favorable to
him but they were not hiring. Another lad lasted a morning and was asked to leave and they said that was not untypical!
He applied for an engineering design apprenticeship with a major engineering company and along with about 450 others was competing for just 6 places.
He was competing at age 16 against 18 year old's with A levels and older ones with degrees, experience etc. Didn't get it, but was asked
to come back for an interview for a place in the specialist machine shop which was not advertised and got the job. He starts in September with CNC
machines, TIG welding, working down to micron levels etc. When asked why he got the job, it was because of his positive attitude and ability to ask
questions which were relevant to the job. They loved his instructable of a bungee pole lathe nailed to the top of the shed which may have helped
too.
Needless to say I am thrilled he has got a job as he is one of a few out of his year who have. That he has got a job working for a world class company
is even better.
I also have a totally different view as his twin brother is totally academic and musically talented (Piano Level 7 with merit yesterday) although
reluctantly capable (he hates getting dirty!) He is off to college and then uni probably ancient history or biology. He will go far - I am sure -
probably Egypt javascript:icon(''
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40inches
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 10:25 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
my mum told me an apprenticeship was a stupid idea too, thats why i'm now 29, living back with them, doing rubbish temporary jobs i can't
stand, and now i've got one i actually like its only part time and not paying a huge amount more that signing on, and trying to get on an
apprenticeship, no one's interested in a 29 year old apprentice... lesson to school leavers, parents DO NOT know best.
i'm still trying to forgive her for it... at least if i decided to, and did it, and was in this s(h)ituation, i'd only have myself to
blame
wish i could sign up for it! the 1000 mile daily commute might be hard though, and i couldn't move near on apprenticeship pay
Would commuting be that bad if you got a job that you really loved. Perhaps you could contact Caterham to see if they may be interested in you, if
they would, ask if there would be any help with weekday accommodation/travel. It may fail at one or both, never surmise what other peoples reaction
may be, but, if you don't ask you don't get.
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vanepico
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 11:10 AM |
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I wouldn't mind working for caterham, but would I want to live in the midlands?
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phelpsa
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 11:36 AM |
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A lot (if not most) of the very best engineering students graduate with little to no hands on experience. Remember that engineering is much much
broader than knowing what a lathe is!
It is a shame that many companies are struggling to find apprentices, but I would put that down to the availability of student finance to fund piss
poor degrees making that a much more appealing path more than computer games.
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franky
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 11:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
A lot (if not most) of the very best engineering students graduate with little to no hands on experience
Based on what exactly?
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phelpsa
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| posted on 17/6/12 at 12:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by franky
quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
A lot (if not most) of the very best engineering students graduate with little to no hands on experience
Based on what exactly?
Based on coming from an engineering family, working in an engineering environment that takes on a lot of graduate engineers and being mid way through
an MEng course.
I can guarantee you that very few of the medical engineers that graduate from my course have ever installed a hip. Very few of the aerospace engineers
have ever dismantled a plane. Very few of the systems&control engineers have ever fiddled around with a computer. The automotive engineers are
lucky with the Formula Student, but only a very small number actually get involved with the building of the car.
They've all had a training session on a mill but that isn't exactly relevant to what they will be doing.
Hands on experience just isn't required for the majority of engineering practices these days. Of course, its a good thing to have and will set
you apart from other students, but not a necessity.
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