gmoto
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| posted on 10/2/13 at 11:37 PM |
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Damaged Caterham chassis, now on ebay, £15 starting no reserve + official Caterham minilite wheels
The Caterham Chassis I had up on here a while ago is now on ebay as while there was a lot of interest, no one was willing to start the ball rolling
with an offer and I'm really not sure of the value.
So it's up at £15 no reserve and I'll let "the market" decide  - just have to risk the ebay-messers!
Unfortunately been VERY busy over the last couple of months.
Listing here:
Caterham 7 chassis, damaged - project, lotus seven race car official No Reserve! | eBay
Also see an official minilite in my Caterham 7 chassis, damaged - project, lotus seven race car official No Reserve! |
eBay.
Ebay listing below:
I bought this car with the intention of doing it up, but as with the previous owner, my circumstances changed and I haven't had the chance to do
anything.
IMPORTANT: this auction is for the chassis and panels pictured ONLY. The dash, brake box, steering wheel and anything but the chassis and panels
should be removed before the end of the auction.
They, along with the rest of the car parts I have for this car will be available for sale separately. If anything is still left on it when the winner
collects, consider it a bonus!
The chassis, I was told, is listed as a Category B. It did come with a numberplate, but I've yet to dig it out, as everything got messed about
when I moved.
There are a couple of options you have - despite common perception, my research suggested it may still be possible to put it back on the road with
the same details.
The other alternative for road use (of course it doesn't matter anyway for track use), is to rebuild it and go through the standard new kit car
process, as a whole new build.
More pictures on ebay.
I would be happy to DISCUSS delivery and transport.
You must contact me first if you wish my assistance in this.
Any questions; do ask!
I do not have a 'buy it now' price in mind - however this chassis is advertised elsewhere purely inviting offers.
If you message me requesting a buy it now price, I'm afraid you'll just received the response above, that I don't have one in mind
(which I really don't!)
[Edited on 10/2/13 by gmoto]
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chillis
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 10:07 AM |
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Though Cat A ad B chassis/monocoque had to be crushed? (Cat A must be crushed in entirity, Cat B I believe you can remove useable parts)
If you rebuilt it and tried to put it back on the road with that chassis no then it could still be siezed and crushed I would have though.
Never under estimate the ingenuity of an idiot!
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 11:33 AM |
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Again, I'm not into saying things about vendors (except to laugh sometimes at their expectations on 'value' . I personally would
look at this chassis as a starting point for a locost, nothing more, except alternatively to simply weigh it in.
60-70Kg of mild steel, an ABSOLUT BARGIN! at £15 - but I'll put it up if it doesunt sell, no timewaisters or dreemers
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gmoto
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 09:24 PM |
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Do you have some back up for that?
Because from what I can tell there is no legal provision to STOP a Cat B going back on the road.
Someone asked on the ebay ad and I again did some googling; this is what I've now added to the ebay advert:
>>
From a quick google, again:
Insurance companies certainly don't like Cat B cars to go back on the road, but there is no law against.
You need to complete a VIC check to get the log book back, it seems.
If you read this thread fully, it covers the details:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=928809
Also, this page: http://www.gtsalvage.com/vic.html explains: What vehicles will be affected?
Any car that is notified to DVLA on or after 7th April 2003 as having been written off (category A, B or C), regardless of the date of accident, will
require a VIC before a replacement registration document can be issued. This notification will set a ‘VIC marker’ on the vehicle record on the
DVLA database. Vehicles cannot be volunteered for a VIC; VOSA will only accept applications for vehicles that have a VIC marker. under it's
previous ID.
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Note that the wording is that an insurance company 'should' crush the vehicle.
This is not a legal requirement, but a code of practice from what I can tell.
A friend had his bike written off by a Transit. The assessor came around and asked if he wanted it back on the road again, when he said he
didn't, he said "ok, I'll Cat B it then". Friend still bought the bike back out of the payout, then sold it on ebay for 3x as
much, advertised as Cat B. Think it went to someone doing a good trade in track bikes (later they turned up at my house when a friend had sold an
engine with a mashed clutch I think it was).
In another case, a friend bought a Cat A bike that was in very good nick. It was being sold as a road bike with MOT I believe and V5 - it was only on
my prompting that he got an HPI check. Ended up getting it for half the initially agreed price, because we actually believed at the time as above,
that it couldn't be ridden on the road. And yes, the bike was legitimate from everything we could tell - as was the V5. (The issue being that
the Cat A would be registered against that V5.)
We presumed the bike has been involved in a death.
If anyone's got a link to some actual laws, I'll happily amend the ebay advert and the advert here; but what I've found this time
around coincides with when I spent a fair bit of time looking before I bought it.
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AdrianH
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 10:52 PM |
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Also on Honest John
It is not illegal to repair and return 'written off for salvage' vehicles back to the road, however all classifications excluding Category
D must pass a Vehicle
Identity Check (VIC) with the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency (VOSA).
Insurers notify the DVLA of all cars 'written off' within salvage categories A, B, C and D. This notification will set a 'VIC
marker' against the DVLA vehicle record for
Category A, B and C write-off. While a VIC marker remains set, DVLA won't issue a registration certificate V5C, or vehicle license reminder V11.
VOSA carries out the
VIC which is designed to confirm the car's identity, not its road worthiness. This helps to ensure that the genuine car is returned to the road
in a bid to reduce the
problem of ringing - when stolen cars are given the identity of a written-off vehicle. The VIC marker will only be removed when the car passes a VIC
test by
VOSA.
So seems to be correct.
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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scootz
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 11:12 PM |
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It all comes down to who bought the salvage from the insurance company that categorised the damage in the first place.
If it went to an ABI approved recycler then their code of practice demands that the shell / chassis is crushed.
If the owner bought it back from the insurer, then the world is your oyster... crack on and put it back on the road if you want (although you will
struggle to get it insured).
It's Evolution Baby!
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steve m
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 11:21 PM |
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Its not as cut and dry as some of you make out,
My last 3 cars for myself, and a couple of others bought and sold, have all been Cat c writeoffs, and all bar one, did not need a VIC check,
The only one that did, was taken to southampton, test station, were the guy drove on to the rollers, got out, opened the bonnet, closed the bonnet and
drove off the rollers, and after an hours wait, gave me all the paperwork we needed
Steve
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gmoto
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| posted on 11/2/13 at 11:31 PM |
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Cheers for the further confirmation Adrian!
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
It all comes down to who bought the salvage from the insurance company that categorised the damage in the first place.
If it went to an ABI approved recycler then their code of practice demands that the shell / chassis is crushed.
If the owner bought it back from the insurer, then the world is your oyster... crack on and put it back on the road if you want (although you will
struggle to get it insured).
I don't remember the specific history. I'm pretty sure it was an owner buy-back. The person I got it from had a friend who had some
business units - it was one of his customers that crashed it and was keeping it there I think. However, am a bit fuzzy on the details and the emails
must have been on the computer which has since died.
However, I don't really see that it changes anything either way - if an approved recycler did not follow their industry code of practice and
sold it; they can get in to trouble, sure.
But as there's no law in relation to this 'code of practice', I can't find anything to suggest it should change the
process.
Steve - from my googling it would seem that it's purely a case of the insurer putting that VIC-check flag against the V5. If they don't,
there's no need to. Other people have had the same experience as you and bought written off cars that didn't have it, so they can get the
V5 regardless.
[Edited on 12/2/13 by gmoto]
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r1_pete
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| posted on 12/2/13 at 09:38 AM |
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HPI's take:
The ABI Total Loss Categories (‘Write-Off’)
Category A: Scrap only – The vehicle has not been repaired following extreme damage. It was deemed too damaged to be repairable with little or no
salvageable parts.
Category B: The bodyshell should have been crushed. The vehicle has not been repaired following significant damage. It was deemed too damaged to be
repairable however did have salvageable parts.
Category C: This vehicle was repairable, but the repair costs exceeded the vehicle value. The insurer chose not to repair for economic reasons.
Category D: This vehicle was repairable, but the repair costs were significant compared to the vehicle value. The insurer chose not to repair for
economic reasons.
It is not illegal to repair and return written-off for salvage vehicles back to the road as long as they have passed a Vehicle Identity Check (VIC)
with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA). Insurers notify the DVLA of all cars ‘written- off’ within salvage categories A, B or C.
Les Elliott, Chairman of MIAFTR and a representative of the ABI Salvage Code of Practice adds: “The ABI Salvage Code specifically states that where
an Insurer takes control of total loss salvage, such as a Category B, it is broken for spares and the body shell crushed. However, where a person
retains the salvage it can be returned to the road, but is subject to a VIC if the V5 is surrendered to DVLA.”
Until the VIC marker is removed, the DVLA won’t issue a registration certificate V5C. However, the VIC test alone is not a safety test and anyone
looking to buy a car that has passed a VIC should seek to have it independently inspected by Autolign.
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gmoto
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| posted on 19/2/13 at 01:54 AM |
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I don't suppose anyone can tell me any information about the age, model etc from the Chassis plate?
http://imageupper.com/i/?S0200010020071E13603235452395895
I did have a number plate around, but it's got misplaced in the move and had a few people asking.
Did save a copy of the ebay auction when I got it... to my desktop I reckon, on a computer that's now dead  .
Everything to dropbox, these days!
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scootz
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| posted on 19/2/13 at 08:50 AM |
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Yup...
It's a 1998, right hand drive, de-dion, long cockpit, limited volume type-approved fully built clubmans chassis. Originally fitted with a
Vauxhall 8v 1.6 engine.
The numbers you've blanked out are the package type, gearbox type, etc.
The last three numbers are the unique chassis number.
It's Evolution Baby!
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Peteff
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| posted on 19/2/13 at 09:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
Its not as cut and dry as some of you make out,
My last 3 cars for myself, and a couple of others bought and sold, have all been Cat c writeoffs, and all bar one, did not need a VIC
check.
Why was that and when please? The last twice we have tried to obtain a V5 for a cat C it has had to have a VIC. Not a problem as it was just a trip to
Derby 20 miles away and a man had a look under the bonnet and seat. I have heard of cat B being put back on the road after a VIC but only on the net,
never met anyone who actually did it. If a car is cat C it automatically gets a flag from our experience.
[Edited on 19/2/13 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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gaz_gaz
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| posted on 19/2/13 at 09:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Yup...
It's a 1998, right hand drive, de-dion, long cockpit, limited volume type-approved fully built clubmans chassis. Originally fitted with a
Vauxhall 8v 1.6 engine.
The numbers you've blanked out are the package type, gearbox type, etc.
The last three numbers are the unique chassis number.
Sounds like a guess to me 
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scootz
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| posted on 19/2/13 at 12:15 PM |
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It's a very good guess though! ;-)
(The chassis number 'decipher-codes' are available on Blachat).
It's Evolution Baby!
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gmoto
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| posted on 19/2/13 at 02:20 PM |
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Very helpful, thanks.
And yes, a very good guess .
http://7faq.com/owbase/ow.asp?ChassisNumbers
On the VIC check - it seems it depends if the insurance company puts a VIC check maker against the V5 or not.
If they don't do that, it doesn't need one, from what I can tell.
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gmoto
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| posted on 20/2/13 at 05:53 PM |
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Found the tax disc, though too late to update the ebay auction (must remember to stick a blank image on my public dropbox which I can update):
(Click for full size.)
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