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Nickp

posted on 5/5/18 at 07:16 AM Reply With Quote
Out with old, in with the new.....

As my Midas headed for sunnier climes (exported to France) this popped up for sale-

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I've struck a deal and will be collecting it next Saturday.

It only has a wheezy 1.4 CVH in there at present so I'm thinking 2.0 Zetec (Blacktop), unless anyone else has a better idea?
What's the best / cheapest way to get a Zetec in there and running fuel and ignition wise? Will I be able to use the current CVH gearbox? What about best flywheel / clutch? I know the info is out there but there just seems to be a LOT of it so would rather get experienced opinions.

Thanks in advance.

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Ugg10

posted on 5/5/18 at 07:33 AM Reply With Quote
As this car is basically a fiesta underneath, have a read on here

http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/stepbystep.shtml





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ianhurley20

posted on 5/5/18 at 07:34 AM Reply With Quote
You can't do better than read big_wasa s thread about using an ST170 engine with its own ECU, it answers all your questions about engines and gearboxes and flywheels. I know at the moment he has a blacktop Zetec with a turbo for sale that comes with all the ancillaries and can be seen running in a test bed

https://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=190440





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Nickp

posted on 5/5/18 at 08:28 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
As this car is basically a fiesta underneath, have a read on here

http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/stepbystep.shtml


Thanks, I'll have a read of that

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Nickp

posted on 5/5/18 at 08:29 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by ianhurley20
You can't do better than read big_wasa s thread about using an ST170 engine with its own ECU, it answers all your questions about engines and gearboxes and flywheels. I know at the moment he has a blacktop Zetec with a turbo for sale that comes with all the ancillaries and can be seen running in a test bed

https://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=190440


You've got me thinking ST170 now.......

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ianhurley20

posted on 5/5/18 at 08:44 AM Reply With Quote
The one we bought cost £300, came with 7 months MOT and the bits we didn't want have sold for more than that - if you use it as a front wheel dive setup it has a 6 speed gearbox as well





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Nickp

posted on 5/5/18 at 08:55 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by ianhurley20
The one we bought cost £300, came with 7 months MOT and the bits we didn't want have sold for more than that - if you use it as a front wheel dive setup it has a 6 speed gearbox as well


I was thinking donor too, just need to consider the time and space.
Apparently the 6spd box can be a pain to use in what is effectively a Mk2 Fiesta chassis, needing custom driveshafts etc.

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JC

posted on 5/5/18 at 06:58 PM Reply With Quote
Linky

Is this any help?

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Nickp

posted on 5/5/18 at 08:20 PM Reply With Quote
It would seem that there are donors out there for peanuts.
This one's a high miler but right on my doorstep.
Best I collect the Quantum first I suppose

https://www.gumtree.com/p/ford/ford-focus-st170-for-sale-/1297370134

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Nickp

posted on 8/5/18 at 04:17 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by JC
Linky

Is this any help?


Yes thanks

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Nickp

posted on 13/5/18 at 07:57 AM Reply With Quote
It's landed!! Really pleased with it
It's already got some new 'boots' on

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Nickp

posted on 22/5/18 at 07:54 PM Reply With Quote
Been putting a bit more thought into the engine. I'm pretty sure that an ST170 engine isn't going to fit with its huge inlet manifold in place, which kinda rule out using the Ford ECU. However, I think at the price of these engines (sub £200) it's still a better base engine than a std 2.0 Zetec.
Both will need either bike carbs / ITBs and something to run the sparks so no real difference in cost there. The ST170 comes with a plastic inlet manifold that can be adapted to take bike carbs /ITBs.

First option would be to do away with the VVT and reset the inlet cam to 110deg and use an ignition only ECU for about £300 (possibly cheaper) inc generic loom.

Second option would be use this ECU which effectively controls the VVT as Ford intended and would give better torque/power pretty much everywhere. This is ignition only but is upgradeable with a SW update for fuel injection if required later. It does come with a plug and play ST170 loom, which is nice. These niceties come at a price and this one is nearly £500 - https://motorsport-electronics.co.uk/product/me100/

I think I just need to go ahead and get an ST170 engine with as much as I can get with it and see what fits. I can make a decision later on what's going to run it.

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big_wasa

posted on 22/5/18 at 08:12 PM Reply With Quote
Dare I say Turbo

You would be amazed how cheap it can be done.


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Nickp

posted on 22/5/18 at 08:17 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by big_wasa
Dare I say Turbo

You would be amazed how cheap it can be done.




Ha ha, nice one, was gonna try and walk before I run tbh
It's a pretty light FWD car with no LSD, so how much power can it put down??

What ECU is that running then?

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big_wasa

posted on 22/5/18 at 08:45 PM Reply With Quote
That one runs the Focus Rs ecu and has a 215 ps map. So with a little more compression it should be easily 220 at the fly.

It or the St220 will be going in the Indy this winter.

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Nickp

posted on 22/5/18 at 08:48 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
That one runs the Focus Rs ecu and has a 215 ps map. So with a little more compression it should be easily 220 at the fly.

It or the St220 will be going in the Indy this winter.


Nice one

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Ugg10

posted on 23/5/18 at 08:00 AM Reply With Quote
Just about to pull the pin on an ME100 for my Puma 1.7 VCT engine in my Anglia, will be running it with DHLA 40's. This will come with a ST170 loom that I may have to alter to fit. The ME100 is actually a ME221 with the injector outputs knobbled in Firmware so you either have an addition 8 low level outputs or in future you can pay for a firmware upgrade to restore it to a full fat ME221 to run injection.

Worth also contacting Chester Sportscars are they do a Bike carb kit for the ST170 using the ME VCT controller and I think they have gone over to CANEMS for the spark (from megajolt jnr and then nodiz). However as the ME100 effectively includes the VCT controller in it and has the upgrade path I think fro £500 this is a pretty good deal for any engine with VCT/VVTI if you want to run carbs.





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Nickp

posted on 23/5/18 at 08:07 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
Just about to pull the pin on an ME100 for my Puma 1.7 VCT engine in my Anglia, will be running it with DHLA 40's. This will come with a ST170 loom that I may have to alter to fit. The ME100 is actually a ME221 with the injector outputs knobbled in Firmware so you either have an addition 8 low level outputs or in future you can pay for a firmware upgrade to restore it to a full fat ME221 to run injection.

Worth also contacting Chester Sportscars are they do a Bike carb kit for the ST170 using the ME VCT controller and I think they have gone over to CANEMS for the spark (from megajolt jnr and then nodiz). However as the ME100 effectively includes the VCT controller in it and has the upgrade path I think fro £500 this is a pretty good deal for any engine with VCT/VVTI if you want to run carbs.


That should be fun

I'm thinking of getting mine up and running using an old Ford ESC ignition module, if I can find one these days (anyone got anything laying around??) Then upgrade to the ME100 later to spread the cost. If I use an ST170 then probably ZX9 (or similar) bike carbs direct to its plastic inlet manifold.

[Edited on 23/5/18 by Nickp]

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Ugg10

posted on 23/5/18 at 08:46 AM Reply With Quote
When I built my Fury Mark Fisher provided details of the Ford EECIV ecu from the early Escort Zetecs that would run a carb engine quite happily, apparently they were a homologation for the Formula Ford weber race engines. It obviously needed the EDIS module that is getting harder to find as many were snapped up to use on Megajolt/squirts. He also provided Weber Twin 40/45 jetting info for a stock 1.8l and 2.0l Silvertops. I ran one of these with a 2.0l silvertop running a Griffin style log inlet plenum and again that worked fine so long as you got matching injectors, maf, TPS, air and water temp sensors from the same engine. If I remember I will try and dig it out and post for info.





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Nickp

posted on 23/5/18 at 09:27 AM Reply With Quote
Sounds like exactly what I'm after, just need to find one now.....

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Originally posted by Ugg10
When I built my Fury Mark Fisher provided details of the Ford EECIV ecu from the early Escort Zetecs that would run a carb engine quite happily, apparently they were a homologation for the Formula Ford weber race engines. It obviously needed the EDIS module that is getting harder to find as many were snapped up to use on Megajolt/squirts. He also provided Weber Twin 40/45 jetting info for a stock 1.8l and 2.0l Silvertops. I ran one of these with a 2.0l silvertop running a Griffin style log inlet plenum and again that worked fine so long as you got matching injectors, maf, TPS, air and water temp sensors from the same engine. If I remember I will try and dig it out and post for info.

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Ugg10

posted on 23/5/18 at 06:42 PM Reply With Quote
Here's the Zetec info I got with my Fury for reference.

ECU here fir £10 pls p&p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2FCD-92FB12A650CD-1-6-FIESTA-XR2I-MK3-ESCORT-MK5-ENGINE-ECU-92FB-12A650-CD-FORD/282570440655?hash=item41ca82bfcf:g:KTsAAOSw hilZZ8j5


zetec fit1 by A H, on Flickr


zetec fit2 by A H, on Flickr

[Edited on 23/5/18 by Ugg10]

[Edited on 23/5/18 by Ugg10]





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Nickp

posted on 23/5/18 at 08:00 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ugg10
Here's the Zetec info I got with my Fury for reference.

ECU here fir £10 pls p&p https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2FCD-92FB12A650CD-1-6-FIESTA-XR2I-MK3-ESCORT-MK5-ENGINE-ECU-92FB-12A650-CD-FORD/282570440655?hash=item41ca82bfcf:g:KTsAAOSw hilZZ8j5


zetec fit1 by A H, on Flickr


zetec fit2 by A H, on Flickr

[Edited on 23/5/18 by Ugg10]

[Edited on 23/5/18 by Ugg10]


Excellent info, thanks mate

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Nickp

posted on 26/6/18 at 07:17 PM Reply With Quote
Got myself a cheap bare engine to try for size before I decide on how to run it.....

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big_wasa

posted on 26/6/18 at 08:43 PM Reply With Quote
Oem is cheap as chips but a bit of a faf. But it will start and stop like factory. No tuning no messing.

Non Oem gets more interesting due to the vvt. I would use it as it gives better torque.

The costs go up but so does the power. But your limited by your gearbox there so I wouldn’t get to carried away.

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Nickp

posted on 26/6/18 at 08:47 PM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
Oem is cheap as chips but a bit of a faf. But it will start and stop like factory. No tuning no messing.

Non Oem gets more interesting due to the vvt. I would use it as it gives better torque.

The costs go up but so does the power. But your limited by your gearbox there so I wouldn’t get to carried away.


Cheers. Plan is to get the bare engine in there and see if I have space for the std inlet manifold. If I do then the aim is to keep it OEM

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