Avoneer
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| posted on 10/2/05 at 11:59 PM |
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Standard Fireblade Clocks
Hi Guys,
Being new to BEC's - can someone explain why I can't use the standard Fireblade clocks?
Cheers,
Pat...
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 01:09 AM |
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Hi Pat
Short answer - no reason. The loom you're getting from me is a '98/99 loom which means it uses the newer style blade clocks which are much
lighter, more compact and look nicer IMHO. The only issue I came across with the 97 engine is that it doesnt have a speedo sender built into the
gearbox like the 99 engine so the speedo wont work by default, although Im sure this could be worked around with magnets on the prop or something
similar as others have done. I do have my 99 blade clocks if you want to have a look on Saturday, I was planning on putting them up for sale on Ebay
as the bikers seem to get through them at a rate of knots when they drop their bikes
Chris
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Hellfire
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 04:18 AM |
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You can use them Pat - just not so simple with that model! 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 09:25 AM |
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I used the 99 clocks with my original engine (which was a 99 too), was very easy with the help of a Yellowbox. Im sure if you could get a suitable
pickup for the gearbox sensor (thats still plugged into the loom) it would be just as easy, not sure what that sensor picks up on inside the gearbox
on the 99 though, ie I assume you would need something on the prop with the same number of pickup points as the sensor sees inside the later
gearbox.
Chris
[Edited on 11/2/05 by ChrisGamlin]
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Avoneer
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 12:13 PM |
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Cheers,
Will waffle more tomorrow Chris.
Pat...
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 12:40 PM |
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Yup see you tomorrow.
Chris
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Avoneer
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 05:22 PM |
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So.....
I don't mind using a back-lit mountain bike speedo for the speedo so no problem with the speedo.
Just need a rev counter and water temp gauge and warning lights.
What's going to be easiest, neatest and cheapest?
Cheers,
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 05:41 PM |
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The blade clocks have:
Speedo/odo + digital trip
Rev Counter
Water Temp (digital)
Warning Lights:
Indicators
Neutral
High Beam
Oil Pressure light (although Id strongly recommend getting a gauge if you're going on track)
- and one other I cant remember!
Basically the only other info I had on my dash was the oil pressure / temperature gauge, everything else ran off the clocks.
It depends on how you want it to all look in the end, proper gauges probably look a bit better but by the time you've bought a decent rev
counter and water temperature gauge etc, it may work out a fair bit more expensive. The blade clocks don't look too bad, I had them mounted on
the transmission tunnel although visibility from there isnt great, mounting them on/in the dash would be better. Its all nice neat wiring though as
its one big multi-plug straight off the loom, the only wiring you'd need to do into the loom is to provide a feed from your flasher unit to
flash the indicator signals.
Anyway, you can have a look tomorrow and see what you think, no need to decide on the day I can always post them to you if you decide after.
Chris
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Avoneer
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 07:36 PM |
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So if I have these clocks, I'll just have to work out how to get the speedo working and possibly purchase a "yellow box" type
thing???
Everything else should be straightforward like the water temp and warning lamps???
And just an oil pressure gauge if I want to be extra careful and add longetivity to my engine???
Chris, have you still got that Oil temp,pressure gauge?
Cheers,
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Avoneer
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| posted on 11/2/05 at 07:52 PM |
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Chris,
Is it like this?
If so, what appears on the display?
Just wondering if I can use this and a mountain bike speedo - that would be easier and even cheaper...
Pat...
 
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 12/2/05 at 11:28 AM |
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i know you're on the way down at the moment so posting this is irrelevent to you, but just for future reference, those ones are from an injected
blade so assume they wouldnt fit the loom, these are the late carb blade clocks from 98/99
 
99 Blade clocks
Water temp, oil pressure light and Neutral are all in the loom so work automatically assuming you plug them in correctly at the engine end. The high
beam and indicator just feed into the loom with two wires in the loom just as they would if you had a seperate warning lamp with two wires off the
back.
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 12/2/05 at 01:15 PM |
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Chris,
Sorry to hijack your post, but are all blade clocks (carburettor) interchangeable between the various carburettor models?
I'm buying a '97 919cc blade engine next month and will eventually require clocks.
Will the 98/99 clocks be suitable? (or, indeed, those from earlier models?)
I'll also need a wiring loom and regulator etc. Any idea of usual prices and where best to source from (I've heard mention of the
'fireblade shop' but don't have contact details etc.?)
Many thanks,
Andy
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 12/2/05 at 06:35 PM |
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The 98/99 clocks are completely different to earlier models so I would assume the multi-plug connector at the back is probably different too, although
I might be wrong. Im pretty sure at least some of the earlier ones had lots of single wires connecting to them though rather than the multiplug.
For a loom etc, why not speak to Colin (www.colibriman.com) and see if he can source you one? I wouldnt advise buying all the loom components
seperately as you may well end up with the wrong year of CDI or something, better off trying to buy, loom, CDi, rectifier etc as a bundle so you know
its all the same year. Ebay would also worth a shot, you can pick up cheap pattern part (brand new) rectifiers on there for around £35 ISTR
Chris
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TB
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| posted on 6/12/05 at 01:50 PM |
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Fireblade Shop Link
Hi there!
The Fireblade Shop website is at:
http://www.firebladeshop.co.uk
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BRJ
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| posted on 10/12/05 at 04:58 PM |
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Sorry if this has already been asked, but has anyone had any success using a 97 blade engine and 97 speedo in a BEC and if so, how have they done
it?
Cheers
Barry
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Avoneer
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| posted on 10/12/05 at 05:46 PM |
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Standard later model sensor picking up two magnets on the prop and fed to the speedo via a speedo healer will do the job.
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andrew.carwithen
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| posted on 10/12/05 at 05:57 PM |
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Pat, Have you got a pic of the speedo sensor? Are you saying this is removable from the gearbox and can be mounted remotely?
I'm thinking, perhaps, that I could use one to send pulses to an aftermarket electronic speedo from Greengauges etc. for my '94 blade
engine?
Andy.
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