Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:29 PM |
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Sorry for being stupid, but where does the binding come in?
 
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:34 PM |
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There is a hidden spout behind the cable tie......all hell lets loose when it happens too
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:36 PM |
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Fumes.....i blame the fumes!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:42 PM |
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..and the E numbers in smarties....
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:46 PM |
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The rod ends can be adjusted in and out, but only if they are adjusted by the exact same number of turns (and that will only adjust camber).
If you screw, say, the front one out and screw the rear one in an uneven number of turns (in an attempt to gain more positive castor), the distance
between the rod ends will increase. As the rod ends are a precision item, there isn't the amount of give in them to absorb the growth in the
distance between them. If you could even physically force the (adjusted) rod ends back into their respective brackets, the compression within the
wishbone will act like a spring, forcing side loads on the ferules, the rod ends and the brackets. That will cause the rod ends to bind somewhat and
will lead to premature wear and possibly failure. That's if the wishbone doesn't give way first (if the car's driven like that).
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here, I am sure that less than precise initial installation (shimming in )will give worse results
[Edited on 5/12/05 by Mark Allanson]
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:47 PM |
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The rod ends can be adjusted in and out, but only if they are adjusted by the exact same number of turns (and that will only adjust camber).
If you screw, say, the front one out and screw the rear one in an uneven number of turns (in an attempt to gain more positive castor), the distance
between the rod ends will increase. As the rod ends are a precision item, there isn't the amount of give in them to absorb the growth in the
distance between them. If you could even physically force the (adjusted) rod ends back into their respective brackets, the compression within the
wishbone will act like a spring, forcing side loads on the ferules, the rod ends and the brackets. That will cause the rod ends to bind somewhat and
will lead to premature wear and possibly failure. That's if the wishbone doesn't give way first (if the car's driven like that).
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:49 PM |
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wierd, I answered Rorty's post, and now its one below mine, read rorty's first then mine and it should make sense
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:52 PM |
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Gulvalish
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:56 PM |
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Order posts wrong getting keep
posts order deleting paste cut and keep doing
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:57 PM |
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Did you get the last golden ticket then
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 10:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here, I am sure that less than precise initial installation (shimming in )will give worse results
[Edited on 5/12/05 by Mark Allanson]
Tenths will cause problems, but shims are measured in thousandths and will get the spacing correct. The wishbone (disconnected from the upright)
should fall under it's own weight if the spacing is correct. If it doesn't, you'll be replacing the rod ends regularly. $$$$$
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:00 PM |
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did that read ticket or rivet?
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:03 PM |
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Rorty,
exactly my point, who in their garage is going to be able to shim to thou's correctly, especially after torquing up?
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:07 PM |
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The rod ends are the wrong way round anyway.
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
Rorty,
exactly my point, who in their garage is going to be able to shim to thou's correctly, especially after torquing up?
Anyone with a box of shims!  
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:11 PM |
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As it happens i happened to have some from the "yellow" team all in a nice wee box and in lots of different guages.......thanx EJ
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Triton
The rod ends are the wrong way round anyway.
I was waiting for that to come up. The 1/2" rod ends most people use are over sized for the application and if people are using high spec
joints, will be perfectly OK used horizontally.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
Rorty,
exactly my point, who in their garage is going to be able to shim to thou's correctly, especially after torquing up?
Anyone with a box of shims!
To tenth of mm fine, but not to thou's, thats just unrealistic. 0.001mm is VERY small, nearly a micron.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
quote:
Originally posted by Triton
The rod ends are the wrong way round anyway.
I was waiting for that to come up. The 1/2" rod ends most people use are over sized for the application and if people are using high spec
joints, will be perfectly OK used horizontally.
Would you say that 1/2" rod ends are an appropriate size for trailing arms as well?
[Edited on 5/12/05 by MikeRJ]
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Triton
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:26 PM |
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Over square needed for trailing arms...ie:
1/2 UNF thread with 3/8UNF i/d spherical bearing.
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
Rorty,
exactly my point, who in their garage is going to be able to shim to thou's correctly, especially after torquing up?
Anyone with a box of shims!
To tenth of mm fine, but not to thou's, thats just unrealistic. 0.001mm is VERY small, nearly a micron.
Thousandths of an inch not metric. Inch shim stock is far more common than metric stuff.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here, I am sure that less than precise initial installation (shimming in )will give worse results
[Edited on 5/12/05 by Mark Allanson]
Tenths will cause problems, but shims are measured in thousandths and will get the spacing correct. The wishbone (disconnected from the upright)
should fall under it's own weight if the spacing is correct. If it doesn't, you'll be replacing the rod ends regularly. $$$$$
We started off in metric, thats why i couldn't understand why you thought a thou was easily attainable
[Edited on 5/12/05 by Rorty]
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Would you say that 1/2" rod ends are an appropriate size for trailing arms as well?
[Edited on 5/12/05 by MikeRJ]
That would be like saying my shoes would fit you.
There are so many variables such as brand, material, construction, method of mounting, weight of car, length of trailing arm, horse power etc. etc.
Without knowing what the car is, I would say not. It seems light for any trailing arm.
If you want to email me with more details, I'll give it some thought.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Rorty
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
quote:
Originally posted by Mark Allanson
surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here, I am sure that less than precise initial installation (shimming in )will give worse results
[Edited on 5/12/05 by Mark Allanson]
Tenths will cause problems, but shims are measured in thousandths and will get the spacing correct. The wishbone (disconnected from the upright)
should fall under it's own weight if the spacing is correct. If it doesn't, you'll be replacing the rod ends regularly. $$$$$
We started off in metric, thats why i couldn't understand why you thought a thou was easily attainable
[Edited on 5/12/05 by Rorty]
Sorry for the confusion, but I think you started it .
Anything ending in "ths" (tenths, thousandths) is usally imperial, numbers less than a whole millimeter are usually expressed by moving
the decimal point.  Grandma...eggs?
Anyway, glad it's sorted out.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/12/05 at 11:52 PM |
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"surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here,"
"surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here,"
"surely we are talking less than tenths of mm here,"
It quite a long time since imperial was used in machine shops, and even when it was, a 'tenth' always refered to a tenth of a thou (inch)
and only refered to when precission grinding.
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