albertz
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| posted on 26/4/06 at 10:01 PM |
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3S-GE to type 9?
I currently have a type 9 gearbox fitted to my 4AGE engine (home-made bellhousing). But due to a change of plan i am now looking at replacing the 4AGE
with the Toyota 3S-GE engine.
So my questions are;
Will my existing type 9 to 4AGE bellhousing fit the 3S-GE engine as well?
Can anyone confirm if the Supra box will fit and is there a particular box/age to watch out for?
Is there anything else i should know before buying the engine?
Any comments or advice appreciated as always.
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COREdevelopments
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| posted on 26/4/06 at 10:09 PM |
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hey andrew have you sent the tbs yet? as for the 3sge the box should fit as it should have the same stud holes, il try find out bit more for you, also
the 3sge slants towards the exhaust side a fair bit so you would have to be carefull on lining it up, also bit heavier than the 4age,
4age is king in my opinion, although the 3sge is yamaha tunned
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AdamR
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| posted on 26/4/06 at 10:55 PM |
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Go for it, I'd love to see a 3SGE seven. I used to have a Celica with a 3SGE and it's a sweet engine... broader spread of torque than many
of the peaky Japanese engines and lots of tuning options (esp with the turbo 3SGTE).
I should say that I know nothing about 4AGEs so I cant compare.
[Edited on 27/4/06 by AdamR]
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Kodiak
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| posted on 27/4/06 at 05:30 AM |
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3sg
Have a look at the Fraser web site here in NZ. (www.fraser.co.nz) These are mostly 3SG and 4AGE cars - around 300 at last count. They may be able to
help with a bell housing off the shelf and advice on the use of this engine and mods required.
The 3SG is 11kg heavier but has a 25% increase in torque and HP as well as simpler maintainance. Be carefull of the turbo version as it is configured
for the MR2 transverse mount and in turbo form does not have mounts on the block where you want them.
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ChrisJLW
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| posted on 27/4/06 at 08:28 AM |
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I asked the same question on MR2OC.com and got this:-
I don't know if shipping from the states would be any cheaper, but go to toysport.com and under tech info the have a section on 3sge/gte rear
drive swaps and parts for sale.
I went back and looked around and also found this:
"Rear Wheel Drive: The 2000cc 3SG is a good choice for RWD conversion. We can supply the engine brackets, oil pick-up, oil pan, flywheel, clutch
set, and other related pieces to install in a RWD vehicle. There is a choice of either T-type (Corolla) or W-type (Celica) transmissions. Unless
necessary, use the W type transmission. The T-type transmission is marginal when engine output in excess of 180 hp is expected.
The non-turbo block has provisions for the L & R engine brackets. The turbo block will need further modification to use (there is no provision for
the engine bracket on the turbo side). Whether the planned application is turbo or non turbo- the NA block offers more flexibility because of the
present engine bracket bosses. Piston oil coolers can be retrofitted on the block. Another advantage is that the oil cooler can be relocated away from
the area where the factory turbo normally hang. After-market turbos cannot use the original factory turbo plumbing anyway.
Depending on the install, the water pipe routing will also need to be reconfigured (similar to the 4AG transverse going into a RWD application). The
distributor will also need to be configured, or the firewall modified to clear it. A stand-alone Fuel injection set-up, with ignition capability is
the preferred way to go. This way the ignition timing can be derived from a crank trigger, bypassing the distributor problem.
As mentioned earlier, oil delivery is crucial. Although the original transverse oil pan can be used, the pick-up and baffling is completely wrong. You
have to get the correct RWD pan and oil pick-up, or risk losing the engine due to oiling problems. The late model engines have a higher output oil
pump."
So it should be alright!
I've lived a life that's full.
I've traveled each and ev'ry highway.
But more, much more than this,
I did it side-ah-ways.
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bimbleuk
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| posted on 27/4/06 at 09:04 AM |
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If you did go that route and have the funds then look for the red top VVTI BEAMS 3SGE from the JDM MR2 (transversly mounted) or the blacktop VVTI
BEAMS 3SGE from the Altezza RS200 (Lexus IS200).
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ChrisJLW
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| posted on 27/4/06 at 01:15 PM |
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Better off looking for the IS200, if I ever discovered you'd broken up a BEAMS MR2 I'd have to kill you. (no more than 20 in the
country)
I think the IS200 is RWD as well? So solves the gearbox problem. 
I've lived a life that's full.
I've traveled each and ev'ry highway.
But more, much more than this,
I did it side-ah-ways.
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 04:26 AM |
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look here
also here for 3SGE and IS200 6-speed in a Fraser Clubman
Bryan Miller
Auckland NZ
Bruce McLaren - "Where's my F1 car?"
John Cooper - "In that rack of tubes, son"
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ChrisJLW
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 10:04 AM |
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Cheers Bryan, didn't realise Mr Sherwood had built a 7 type, I haven't looked at his site for a while though. Interesting stuff.
I've lived a life that's full.
I've traveled each and ev'ry highway.
But more, much more than this,
I did it side-ah-ways.
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Kodiak
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 10:16 AM |
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....another option....climbing on to my soapbox, is the 3SG's arch rival the SR20. Exactly same bore and stroke, almost the same power and best
of all RWD. There are lots of japanese car exporters than can supply a full conversion kit that are cheaper than the cost of a sump mod, baffles and
bell housing. Not sure of UK costs but we are getting JDM spec S14's (non turbo + 5 speed + ECU, pedals mounts, prop shaft etc for the equal of
500quid landed cost . The final R spec (250HP) S15 turbo / 6 speed etc apx 1200 quid. These engines are strong enough that 375HP with stock internals
is not beyond it.
If anyone is direct importing ex Japan be aware that the SR20 is used in a huge range of cars, vans, trucks etc. Inline rear, transverse front and 4WD
layouts. Beware of transverse SR20 engines mated to RWD boxes for these, they are a expensive exercise, the engine may look the same but the there is
a huge range of differences. Why bother when the full, ready to go matched set is so cheap. Tuning parts for the SR20 are in very good supply if 250HP
is not enough.
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