alister667
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 09:30 AM |
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MOT Q plate Emmissions fail
I went for my MOT yesterday (Q-plate MK Indy Blade, SVA'd June 2004) and the emmisions test had changed from last year. Last year it was
standard 'visible smoke' test since it was a Q-plate. This year they wanted the same emmissions that the car had passed at SVA. These
figures were marked on my V5 document, towards the bottom in section 3 under 'special notes'. The MOT tester was able to tell me I did
have a cat fitted for my SVA and they would be requiring this for my MOT. Apart from this and a headlight re-adjustment the car was fine, but
it's still a fail due to the emmissions.
The changing the goalposts aspect of this really annoys me the most.
Oh I'm in N. Ireland where the MOT test centres are government run.
I'm left with a few options.
1) Fit Cat and spend time re-adjusting 'snoopy's fish valves' on an emmissions tester, take it back and hope it passes. This means
a re-tune every year. Fitting and removing cats etc.
2) Get the car Mot'd on the mainland where (I believe) Q plate's still juts have 'visible smoke' emmisions testing.
3) Fit a pre-1996 engine get proof of it's age and get the emmisions testing changed.
Honestly I couldn't be arsed going through the whole re-tuning/emmisions test thing every year for MOT.
The days of the 'rent-a-cat' are over in N. Ireland.
A link to the new emmissions regs in N. Ireland.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=39314
Anyone have any other ideas?
Cheers
Ali
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cossey
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 09:44 AM |
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i wouldnt be surprised if it went this way in the rest of th UK soon.
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JonBowden
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 10:04 AM |
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Might be different where you live, but here you don't need an MOT for three years after the SVA. This has been well documented on this site.
Jon
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alister667
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 04:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JonBowden
Might be different where you live, but here you don't need an MOT for three years after the SVA. This has been well documented on this site.
I think what has become apparent is that the testing authourities don't know thier arse from thier elbow when it comes to making clear, concise
rules for minority cases. It is not clear that ALL cars less than 3 years old do not require MOT. Depends which car ignorant civil servant you speak
to.
If the rules were at least consistant I could understand!
Hmmm. Am I sounding a little bitter and twisted?
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alister667
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 04:04 PM |
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Forgot to ask could a few of you folk have a wee look at section 3 (special notes) section of your V5 and see if it mentions emmissions limits as
tested at SVA?
I'm assuming the V5 is similar on the mainland as in NI.
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mandbsheldon
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 04:11 PM |
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Yep,
It does on mine
Leigh
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smart51
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 05:36 PM |
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and mine. It's on the front page, which is why I didn't see it before. It states 0.5% CO idle, 0.3% CO fast idle, and 0.97-1.03 lambda.
no HC PPM though.
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alister667
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 06:42 PM |
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Why in the name of God can't we have the same rules for Bike engines wether they're on 2 wheels or 4?
Is that too much to ask?
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smart51
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| posted on 28/4/06 at 07:58 PM |
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I can answer in the name of God, as it happens. The answer is that it is a car whether you have a car engine, a bike engine or a plane engine.
I was considering a jet engine from a plane but couldn't find a big enough cat.
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wildchild
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 02:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alister667
I went for my MOT yesterday (Q-plate MK Indy Blade, SVA'd June 2004) and the emmisions test had changed from last year. Last year it was
standard 'visible smoke' test since it was a Q-plate. This year they wanted the same emmissions that the car had passed at SVA. These
figures were marked on my V5 document, towards the bottom in section 3 under 'special notes'. The MOT tester was able to tell me I did
have a cat fitted for my SVA and they would be requiring this for my MOT. Apart from this and a headlight re-adjustment the car was fine, but
it's still a fail due to the emmissions.
The changing the goalposts aspect of this really annoys me the most.
Oh I'm in N. Ireland where the MOT test centres are government run.
I'm left with a few options.
1) Fit Cat and spend time re-adjusting 'snoopy's fish valves' on an emmissions tester, take it back and hope it passes. This means
a re-tune every year. Fitting and removing cats etc.
2) Get the car Mot'd on the mainland where (I believe) Q plate's still juts have 'visible smoke' emmisions testing.
3) Fit a pre-1996 engine get proof of it's age and get the emmisions testing changed.
Honestly I couldn't be arsed going through the whole re-tuning/emmisions test thing every year for MOT.
The days of the 'rent-a-cat' are over in N. Ireland.
A link to the new emmissions regs in N. Ireland.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=39314
Anyone have any other ideas?
Cheers
Ali
At the risk of sounding a bit heretical...
You could fit the cat and....leave it fitted.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 2/5/06 at 04:00 PM |
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If option 2 does not affect your insurance or ability too obtain road tax then I think I would hop on a ferry.
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alister667
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 08:26 AM |
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I could fit a cat and leave iot fitted, but it does take a LOT of adjustment of the carbs to get it to pass every year. If was simply a matter of
fitting a cat, it's no problem but it's the amount of tuning and screwing around with the engine that goes with it. Every year. No
thanks.
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russbost
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 09:55 PM |
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I think you'll find that even if you fitted a CAT permanently it would probably be knackered by next year due to the fact that without a Lambda
sensor/proper engine management you'll be chucking all sorts of fuel mix thro it other than the"correct" 14.7:1 stoichiometric
ratio, which CATs don't like. If it was MoT'd over here the current rules are that a Q plate has only to pass the basic test not the CAT
test - irrelevant of year & how it was when SVA'd. You do need to be careful whether this affects insurance tho'.
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alister667
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 09:54 PM |
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I'm due to have one of the head tester trainers give me a ring about thisn (friend of a friend of a friend), I'm going to explain my
situation to him, and let him suggest the simplest way out.
To put it in perspective it's a 900cc engine, insured to do 1500 road miles a year.
I'll keep you all informed
Cheers
Ali
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alister667
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| posted on 8/5/06 at 09:57 PM |
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BTW thanks for the info on the cat russbost, I was't aware I could damage one by non-removal.
Scottish/Mainland MOTs are fine in N. Ireland the MOT testers went on strike about a year ago and many folks had to go to Scotland to get their cars
tested, same value as a NI MOT!
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