theconrodkid
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:46 PM |
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poll did schuey cheat
did he delibaratley block the track to keep pole?
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:48 PM |
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edit: i dont think he started it on purpose ie the locked brake, but then thought he could turn it too his advantage
[Edited on 27/5/2006 by I love speed :-P]
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:49 PM |
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Of course he did , why spoil the habit of a lifetime? we all would for 12million or more a year
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Fozzie
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:50 PM |
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I'm sure he did! 
Fozzie
[Edited on 27/5/06 by Fozzie]
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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JoelP
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:54 PM |
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especially considering how crucial pole is at monaco...
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Fozzie
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 08:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
especially considering how crucial pole is at monaco...
Exactly! 
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 09:04 PM |
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Of course he did! It's genetic.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 09:05 PM |
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Somebodys desperate for yet another of Senna's records
I thought F1 cars had anti-stall devices and reverse!
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bilbo
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 09:09 PM |
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Offical Result: He DID!!!
See here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5023004.stm
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 09:17 PM |
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No way did he cheat. If he had, it wouldn't have been so blatant, the guy is too talented. The Stewards are wrong.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 09:26 PM |
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Sorry mate but I have to disagree. The first part can possibly be explained as a mistake going in too tight and maybe from that you could say its
wasnt pre-meditated, but what was the reason for him straightening up the wheel, then only turning again once he was to close to the barrier to pass?
If you look at the shot from above, he steers straight towards the barrier and only turns right again once he's half way across the track (over
the central white line), and even then winds off a little lock again as he gets close seemingly just to make sure he can't get round.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 09:34 PM |
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He could have spun the car on a sixpence on the apex of the corner and stalled his engine, if he so wished. I doubt anyone would have called him a
cheat in that scenario. The stewards had no option but to strip him of pole after setting the precedent with Fisichellas incident. And besides, it
makes F1 that bit more interesting doesn't it? 
Phil
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 11:03 PM |
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His driving certainly didn't apear to be that of a talented multi-championship winner at that moment did it...
He has a long history of dubious tactics and very unsportsmanlike behaviour, I'd hardly put a stunt like this past him.
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James
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 11:40 PM |
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Not sure if it's good or bad for (my favourites ) Mclaren!
Means Alonso's practically garanteed to win but gives Macca a better shot at 2nd place!
As long as blinkin Webber gets the inevitable out of the way early it should be an interesting battle between Alonso and Raikonnen up to 1st fuel
stop.
Cheers,
James
[Edited on 27/5/06 by James]
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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ned
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| posted on 27/5/06 at 11:44 PM |
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i was thinking exactly that as i watched it jon. too convenient imho especially for someone as experienced as him not to keep it going.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Johnmor
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 07:25 AM |
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Victim!!!
The guy already had the fastest time, we all reckon the guy is a machine and calculates every thing to the smallest degree, one of the reasons he wins
so often.
He almost never cracks under pressure and rarly makes a mistake.
So now you want me to belief that that he deliberatly makes such a crass and obvious manoeuvre to gain one place.!!
I accept that pole at Monaco is essential but i think the risk in that act was so great he would not of done it deliberatly, as I said he does
calculate every thing down to the smallet point.
I think he new he had a fast time and just made a mistake on the in lap.
But once again he is not alowed to make a mistake, it has to be deliberate and Ferrari are "cheats", blah,blah blah.(new record please)
Anyway, its done now!!!
The good thing is the race may not be the normal procession as I would almost put money on Shuey getting into the points and going all out from the
back.
Heres to an exciting race!!!
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cossey
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 08:07 AM |
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he was on a faster lap than his previous and overcooked it. if he hadnt had straightened up he quite possibly would have skidded into the barrier
because he was on the dirty part of the track. stupidly he would have probably been better off if he had crashed. the stewards caved into pressure
from the other teams rather than just look at the evidence. alonso is becoming the new schumacher and in the same way that ferrari could do no wrong a
couple of years back now alonso can do no wrong.
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andyps
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 08:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Johnmor
He almost never cracks under pressure and rarly makes a mistake.
Sorry, but you must have a very different definition of "almost never" to me. There have been many occasions where he has cracked under
pressure. Ask Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, think about stalling on the grid and losing championships to Hakkinen. Under pressure the guy cracks
easily.
There is no way the complete incident yesterday was an accident, when I watched it I could only think that anyone would have managed to turnt he
steering wheel and get round the corner if they wanted. I have to give him (or someone in the team) credit for quick thinking. Shame Ferrari
aren't like Renault and let us hear the radio transmissions - but maybe the Stewards did. This time they have made the right decision.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Johnmor
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 08:44 AM |
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quote:
Ask Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, think about stalling on the grid and losing championships to Hakkinen. Under pressure the guy cracks easily
You're choosing a few occasions from a 15 year career, 10 at the top.
Hill and Villeneuve both came to racing on their fathers coat tails. Hakkinen won championships in a car that was often 1-2 secs a lap quicker than
everyone else, "what a guy".
Schumacher is called a robotic, cool calculating assasin one minute and then cracks easily the next, make your minds up!!!
Look at the statistics.
(there is miles in this yet)
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Mr G
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 03:37 PM |
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I'm with hellfire on this.
This is 'cheating'
quote:
Originally posted by Johnmor
The good thing is the race may not be the normal procession as I would almost put money on Shuey getting into the points and going all out from the
back.
Heres to an exciting race!!!
well predicted that man!
[Edited on 28/5/06 by Mr G]
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 04:22 PM |
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Johnmor, you talk a lot of sense on this one, btw Damian Hill threw it away in his little incident, Shuey was a dead duck at the time waiting too be
picked off, Damian chose the wrong time, the Villeneuve incident was maybe down too Shuey though........
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andyps
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 04:42 PM |
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Jon - Damon didn't know it at the time, and had no way of knowing it - he saw an opponent going slowly, a gap, and went for it, don't tell
me you wouldn't do the same. You can't allow for the fact that someone has a natural reaction to crash into someone rather than avoid them
- at least then as the cobbler hadn't shown his tendency before that.
Mr G - maybe BAR were cheating, but it is generally accepted they were the fall guy for that one, and many other teams (Ferrari included) were using
the same technique - may well explain all those very quick middle sectors the cobbler managed.
From what I heard, James Allen was about the only person in Monaco who believed it to be an accident.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 05:27 PM |
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I think you lot missed the point re Damon Hill. MS has openly admitted that he 'did what had to be done' to ensure he took the title. That
involved punting Damon Hill!! The acts were perpetrated years ago, the admission was only 1-2 years ago.
Cheers,
Syd.
[Edited on 28/5/06 by Syd Bridge]
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 05:41 PM |
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Sorry guys, just winding you up a bit bit come on.........
The best F1 driver in my living memory and who's pictures are still hung in our office..........?
Mr Senna, now he was no saint either was he.
Thats the trouble with us Brits, we play cricket.
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ned
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| posted on 28/5/06 at 06:04 PM |
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yup regardless of the stats having been bought up watching senna he will always be the master, and we will never know what could have been 
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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