mr_ed
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 08:37 AM |
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My shelfed middy project.
CAD forecasts it to weigh ~350kgs, but I'd say less than 400. It is a bit heavier than Jedis and the like due to the nature of the chassis
style. Most of the chassis is hidden under the panels before anyone says its not triangulated! Its designed for an R1 engine. Pushrod suspension all
round with constant 1:1 motion ratios, but an alternative set of rockers can be fitted to experiment with rising rate. All CAD designed with each tube
file producing laser cutter files.
Project put on hold due to new house, baby, lotus elise, etc etc.
Would still like to see it made one-day though.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 08:42 AM |
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you know its cool!
Build Blog
Build Photo Album
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iank
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 09:03 AM |
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Cool, but expect to have a chat with Ariel's solicitors if you tried to put it into production 
Rollbar looks a little higher than necessary, but I'm sure you've measured it and I'm talking rubbish
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:01 PM |
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looks good, go for it.
I'm sure Ariel don't have a monopoly on tubular steel spaceframes!
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iank
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
looks good, go for it.
I'm sure Ariel don't have a monopoly on tubular steel spaceframes!
No they don't but they might well have registered the design and have a design copyright for curved top rails with a zig-zag of smaller tubes on
cars.
To my eye it's been inspired in that area by the atom. So I believe solicitors would become involved if you tried to sell it - not saying
they'd win, but caterham have been winning for years in similar cases.
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mr_ed
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:44 PM |
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I was only ever doing it as a one-off, rather than a production, so it didn't really matter.
I think they'd have a hard time pinning you down over it though.
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russbost
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 01:02 PM |
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Make it a bit longer & hide the tubes & it's a Furore!! But I promise I won't sue, it's also quite similar (p'tic with
the R1 engine) to the new MK Sprint - but much prettier!
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StevieB
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 01:18 PM |
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Surely copyright wouldn't be an issue if you just sold the plans (say, for instance, to me!)
Looks very nice though!
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andyd
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 01:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
No they don't but they might well have registered the design and have a design copyright for curved top rails with a zig-zag of smaller tubes on
cars.
It's $h1t like this that boils my blood!  I think the whole "my concept and I'm copyrighting it" stifles the progress of
things. I'm not saying that if I had a really original idea I'd want people cashing in on it instead of me but being able to copyright
simple ideas really stops innovation.
It's a bit like saying "you can't build your car with four wheels 'cause I did that first and I've copyrighted that
idea". Very silly.
After all that.... looks like a good project idea... go for it.
Andy
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 01:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
looks good, go for it.
I'm sure Ariel don't have a monopoly on tubular steel spaceframes!
No they don't but they might well have registered the design and have a design copyright for curved top rails with a zig-zag of smaller tubes on
cars.
To my eye it's been inspired in that area by the atom. So I believe solicitors would become involved if you tried to sell it - not saying
they'd win, but caterham have been winning for years in similar cases.
I have registered designs in the past, and design registration deals with the look of an object. So if you were to silhouette the atom and the car in
question you would see that they are very different and would not contavene design regs.
The Atom uses a spaceframe and monocoque in its construction. The blue car is clearly spaceframe only construction. So again there are enough
differences.
You can be sued if you copy designs like for like even if they are a one off for personal use and not going to be put into production. But it's
highly unlikely.
 
Rescued attachment cars.jpg
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iank
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 01:42 PM |
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The curse of having a basic understanding of intellectual property It's getting completely off topic, but here you go if you are
interested.
May I refer you to Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48)
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_1.htm
Bottom line is if there is a clear function you can't protect with a copyright, you would need a patent.
If it's form i.e. artistic (book, poem, picture, font, sculpture, design etc.) then it's protected by copyright.
It's up to a judge/jury to decide if it's a "copy" which is pretty much having a look at two photos and comparing
similarities.
In this case (IMO) it's artistic as their is no function to having a curved beam in a spaceframe (for strength you want them straight and a
straight beam wouldn't be protected unless it was decorative  )
All pretty much irrelevant unless you start distributing them.
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Alan B
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 02:15 PM |
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Zig-zag of smaller tubes?
I believe that is called triangulation..
A basic and very worthwhile engineering practice.
Just teasing, but I take your point....I'm also building a curved tube frame right now...even built my own tube roller to do it an works very
well...
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iank
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 02:26 PM |
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Peteff
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 02:54 PM |
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There looks a lot of ornamental tubing on there, not specifically doing anything towards the overall strength of the chassis, pretty pointless I
think.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 03:30 PM |
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I'd like to see your tube roller Alan. Sounds like the sort of thing I will need when I make my artistically decorative copy of the Atom!!
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Alan B
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 03:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
I'd like to see your tube roller Alan. Sounds like the sort of thing I will need when I make my artistically decorative copy of the Atom!!
The picture doesn't show the handle on the single rolller.
 
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ned
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 04:37 PM |
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Alan,
Do tell what ^^ is.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 04:43 PM |
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Thats great Alan,
Do you have much control over the accuracy?
Did you buy the guides or have them made?
Thanks
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gazza285
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 05:24 PM |
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How about this one.
Mind, the stadium was built before the Ariel Atom.
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 05:28 PM |
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ahh so the football club could sue Ariel??
[Edited on 1/12/06 by Hammerhead]
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Alan B
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 05:28 PM |
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Accuracy...yes very good...you can wind on a very small increment of radius change when you get close to size. I just drew out the bend full size to
check the radius against (90" in this case, with around 6" straight at each end)
I assume you are refering to the wheels?...thay were bought from a eng supply company (www.mcmaster.com) and later the vee was modified to match the
tube better.
Ned, I'm not sure what ^^ means?..if you are asking what I'm making, it is a kind of Atom inspired 3 seater using a mid-mounted Honda
V-TEC (can be seen in the backround......just a little fitting in job before I back onto the Meerkat...
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gazza285
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 07:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
ahh so the football club could sue Ariel??
We could get a striker then, although our defence could do with some new talent as well (or just talent would do.).
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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mr_ed
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 07:46 PM |
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Couple more pics...
The chassis looks very complicated in that picture, so this picture shows it to be a bit simpler. The majority of it is 1.5inch 18gauge CDS. Overall
it weighs 63Kgs including the nose, sidepods, rollbar and so-on.
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iank
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 07:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
ahh so the football club could sue Ariel??
[Edited on 1/12/06 by Hammerhead]
Only if wembley stadium is a car
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Peteff
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 07:51 PM |
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Ned, I'm not sure what ^^ means?
Look in the direction of the pointy things, no not those pointy things pervert, the ones in the writing.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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