Andybarbet
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 posted on 10/9/07 at 11:48 AM |
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mondeo V6 in a MK2 cortina ?
A friend of mine wants to put a newish engine into his MK2 2 door cortina, he has been offered an early mondeo 2.5 V6 lump, will this mate to a type
nine with a pinto bell housing ???
If it does, does anyone have a bell housing going cheap near north Hertfordshire ? He already has the gearbox.
Cheers.....Andy
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MikeR
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 11:51 AM |
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Rally Design do a bell housing for the Duratec I4 engine that will mate to the Type 9. Not sure if its the same bell housing pattern as the V6 - might
be worth a call.
I'd expect the gearbox wouldn't last very long unless it was uprated with the V6.
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donut
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 11:53 AM |
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Is a type 9 up to the job? Would an MT75 be better?
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
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MikeR
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 11:55 AM |
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can't change the bell housing on a MT-75 (well i think there where one or two specials made that could have the bell housing changed .... but
i'd guess then you need a custom bell housing.)
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Chippy
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 12:24 PM |
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If you have the heavy duty type 9, then with the special bell housing you will be OK. If on the other hand you don't have the heavy duty one, it
will last all of ten minutes, Cheers Ray
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saigonij
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 12:25 PM |
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you will have problems mating that to a ford gearbox.
a better option would be to use a Granada 24v engine. its bigger, produces more power, and mates to a 2.8 capri type 9. EFi system is easy to wire in,
and you can mount it on a Cortina V6 cross member ( its an over sized 2.8 block ).
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Chippy
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 12:42 PM |
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Granny/Scorpio 24v is old technology, it's also a bloody great big lump, may not go under the bonnet, so you end up with having to make a power
bulge, to get it to fit. It is not easy to wire in, as you will require EEC IV, (later type), engine and car looms. It only makes 195bhp, as the BOA,
or 207 as the BOB. Spares are "almost" unobtainable, and damd expensive. How do I know, well just rebuilding one to go in my Locost, and
already wishing I had gone for the 2.5 V6. Duratec. Cheers Ray
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britishtrident
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 01:00 PM |
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2 litre Zetec would make more sense
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saigonij
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 01:22 PM |
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i guess its all relative your your skills. I have wired in 4 so far, the first one being in an old capri so its pretty easy if you are familiar with
the ford ECU.
spares are expensive - the tensioner blade along cost me £100 and that was 4 years ago.
there is someone on here who has found teh right gearbox to use with it ( jag gearbox i think )
your right in saying its a tall motor, much more so than the 24v mondeo.
in a few years time i might swap my zetec for a 24v mondeo engine. not sure if it will fit in a velocity though. then again, if my mate jon can fit a
viper in a viento, im sure i can squeeze in a duratec.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 05:24 PM |
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You would need an x type Jag gearbox. From what I have read.
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RazMan
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 05:34 PM |
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The MT75 will bolt straight on to the V6 Duratec and will easily handle the power. 200bhp is easily achieved with some basic mods.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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MikeR
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 05:47 PM |
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are you sure you mean the mt 75 and not the mtx 75?
didn't think the 2.5 v6 was ever fitted to a rear wheel drive car & i'm sure it has a different bell housing to the 'old'
ford bell housing pattern.
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RazMan
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 08:05 PM |
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Aren't the MT and MTX identical as far as bell housings are concerned then? I assumed they were - I could be wrong though.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Chippy
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| posted on 10/9/07 at 11:03 PM |
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The MT75 is a definate no! no! for the V6 Duratec, as you can't change the bell housing, (cast in one), and as has been said the bolt pattern on
the V6, (and all duratec's), is totaly different to all fords prior to it. It's the first time, to my knowledge, that Ford have ever
changed there bolt fixing pattern. Ray
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gazza285
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| posted on 11/9/07 at 04:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
It's the first time, to my knowledge, that Ford have ever changed there bolt fixing pattern
That's because they are Mazda based engines I seem to recall .
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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major
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| posted on 11/9/07 at 07:36 AM |
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How to do it and what problems I faced.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=64063
IMHO the only straight-bolt-on rwd gearbox to a duratec 25 or duratec 30.
marc.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 11/9/07 at 08:09 AM |
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Type 9 and MT75 will not bolt up to the V6 Duratec, though of course they could probably be made to fit with adpater plates or custom bellhousing for
the Type 9.
The only RWD application for the V6 is in the Jag as mentioned by the major.
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 11/9/07 at 08:30 AM |
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Hmm, what about a Mazda gearbox?
MX5 or E2200
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AndyH
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| posted on 11/9/07 at 10:54 AM |
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Scorpio 24v
In reply to Chippy on the 24v v6.
Granted the engine is a heavy lump, but this is where its strength is. The engine was originally designed for 300bhp in a road car, the test mule
Granny could not cope with the power.
The engine mates with readily available gearbox's and in BOB form will be going long after the mondeo v6 has died.
Get rid of ford management, fit a decent zorst, and this engine will produce big reliable power whilst the mondeo v6 has meltdown trying to hack
it.
Just ask Fitz at Top Boss in Derby.
The fox has just entered the henhouse. Is the farmer waiting with his 12 guage????
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RazMan
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| posted on 11/9/07 at 12:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyH
Get rid of ford management, fit a decent zorst, and this engine will produce big reliable power whilst the mondeo v6 has meltdown trying to hack
it.
Agreed - mine produces 202bhp and 180ft/lb with these mods.
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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Chippy
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| posted on 12/9/07 at 10:16 PM |
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AndyH
Hi mate, while the 24v does produce "fairly" good bhp, you are "very" restricted on uping the power as the unit definately
does not like to rev over about 6100, unless you have an unlimited amount of replacement blocks. My rev limiter is set at 5950 soft cut and 6050 hard.
And as for Mr Fitz, well yes he does know his 24v's, but his prices are WAY out of my league, £40 for an oil filler cap, scrap yard £1 from a
Zetec, (same cap, only plastic). All of the 24v's are no longer made, wonder why, most Ford engines get at least a twenty + year production run,
(apart from the dogs, of which they produced a few). After rebuilding my BOA, which to date has cost me over £800, just in parts, (and not at Mr
Fitz's prices), I can honestly say that regardless of length of running life, I would definately go for a Duratec V6 if I should ever be silly
enough to do it all again, as with MS, and a bit of tweeking, bhp is pretty much the same. Sorry for the thread hyjack, Ray
[Edited on 12-9-07 by Chippy]
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locost_bryan
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| posted on 13/9/07 at 04:27 AM |
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ettore bugatti,
Mazda use a different bellhousing bolt pattern for every engine - the MX5 has a BP/B8, totally different pattern to the F2 in the E2200, and totally
unrelated to the MZR (Duratec I4) or MZI (Duratec V6).
The only factory fit gearbox option for the Duratec V6 is the Jag S-type (Getrag), and for the I4 the Aisin 6-speed from the current MX5 or the Mazda
M50-R1 from the US Mazda B2300 pickup (related to the RX7 turbo).
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AndyH
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| posted on 13/9/07 at 08:01 AM |
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Chippy
Its great this!
Horses for courses and the merits for each motor could go on and on and on.....
Anyhow car looks nice and best of luck if your brave enuff to have a go at fitting the v6 mazdatec, if it will mate to the gearbox.
Its all "ifs", but very interesting.
Cheers,
Andy.
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