2b_pablo
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 04:02 PM |
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zetec on 45s?
anyone any idea of the expected power of a 2L zetec on twin 45s?
cheers 
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Tiger Super Six
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 04:04 PM |
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Should be max 165bhp.
Mark
Tiger Avon
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coozer
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 04:06 PM |
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Why 45's? Already got some...
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 04:08 PM |
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exactly
165 hmmm thats not too sporty 
could you get more with cams etc?
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 04:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 2b_pablo
exactly
165 hmmm thats not too sporty
could you get more with cams etc?
Look at it this way about 100 too much for an RH chassis to handle safely.
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bob tatt
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 05:14 PM |
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i got 175 out of a 2l with 45s on properly set up it was a really sweet engine with loads of torque make sure you get them set right or you end up
with a huge flat spot at about 2500 revs thats how mine ended up at the roling road drove me crazy an hour with a man in the know and it was sorted.
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derby allen
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 05:19 PM |
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Quote: Look at it this way about 100 too much for an RH chassis to handle safely.
Bit nasty that comment, First car i built was a RH with a 2.1 pinto on 45's after spending a small fortune on the engine i got this up to nearly
170BHP, a standard 2ltr Zetec on 45's will give 165Max if setup correct, i.e carbs setup, mapping correct and a good rolling road session, if
money is no object then with better cams and a lot of headwork, good exhaust system, etc etc etc then +200 can be obtained, I run the 1.8 Zetec with
the 130 cams on 45's and it just gets to 155BHP which is more than enough for me in a little Westfield.
what model RH do you have, If the 2B variety with the heavy tube frame then why not go VX Redtop, more power output as standard and the chassis on the
2B will handle it, if however the RH is the earlier Stainless mono jobby then my opinion would be to stick with less power due to the body flex,
(i've built two of these in the past) hope this helps Steve
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 05:20 PM |
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I had 173bhp from mine running on 45 DHLA Dellorto's with 36mm chokes. Not too sporty?? Was pretty quick as far as i was concerned!! Still - a
197bhp car was nice on a set of Piper cams when i test drove it.
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 05:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by derby allen
Quote: Look at it this way about 100 too much for an RH chassis to handle safely.
Bit nasty that comment, First car i built was a RH with a 2.1 pinto on 45's after spending a small fortune on the engine i got this up to nearly
170BHP, a standard 2ltr Zetec on 45's will give 165Max if setup correct, i.e carbs setup, mapping correct and a good rolling road session, if
money is no object then with better cams and a lot of headwork, good exhaust system, etc etc etc then +200 can be obtained, I run the 1.8 Zetec with
the 130 cams on 45's and it just gets to 155BHP which is more than enough for me in a little Westfield.
what model RH do you have, If the 2B variety with the heavy tube frame then why not go VX Redtop, more power output as standard and the chassis on the
2B will handle it, if however the RH is the earlier Stainless mono jobby then my opinion would be to stick with less power due to the body flex,
(i've built two of these in the past) hope this helps Steve
yeah its the mono job! I could strengthen it up but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the extra power
just looking at a cheap power upgrade from the pinto, XE is a bit more work and cost and just not worth it on this chassis.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 06:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 2b_pablo
yeah its the mono job! I could strengthen it up but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the extra power
just looking at a cheap power upgrade from the pinto, XE is a bit more work and cost and just not worth it on this chassis.
By the time you fit a Zetec (which are very cheap) and sort out the exhaust, management, sump, inlet manifold, flywheel / clutch etc etc it might not
be so cheap. What spec is your Pinto?? Not worth trawling the classifieds, here and fleabay for a better spec'd Pinto or do your own (especially
if you have a 205 block)
[Edited on 29/2/08 by Paul TigerB6]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 08:42 PM |
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All RH should be taken off the road they are a danger to other road users.
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 09:02 PM |
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good for you....
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contaminated
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 09:09 PM |
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I have a 2.0l zetec with some raceline bits that is about 165 bhp. Due for tune, but even now it kept up with the best that a recent Pistonheads run
had to offer. At least until one of my cycle wings detached!
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DarrenW
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 09:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
All RH should be taken off the road they are a danger to other road users.
Sod off BT - there will be far many other cars that represent more of a danger than RH's. 2B's happens to be a rather well built example.
I usually enjoy and respect your posts but this is way OTT. What LSIS do you have?
A RH wouldnt be on my shortlist and have bed press due to numpties loving the budget but not the skill to do one justice but im sure there are loads
that are well built indeed.
Ref sporty Zetec - my pinto is only 120bhp at back wheels and puts a smile on my face. 165bhp ould be positively spritely. Problem is your 2.1 probs
isnt far off already, however isnt the Zetec lighter and have potential for more power?? Coozer is putting together a 1.8 turbo lump and is expectant
of a bit more power for notta lotta cash.
[Edited on 29/2/08 by DarrenW]
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 10:01 PM |
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aye my pinto is fairly sporty (getting setup on the 45s at the minute) but I know Ill want more.
I think 200bhp is my ideal goal
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DarrenW
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 10:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 2b_pablo
aye my pinto is fairly sporty (getting setup on the 45s at the minute) but I know Ill want more.
I think 200bhp is my ideal goal
Nowt wrong with that. Go for it. Try a U2U to AndyD and quiz him on the spec of Pete's Westie. Im sure that has around 200bhp on carbs.
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 10:22 PM |
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Id put the money into management (griffin or emerald or something) if I thought there were bigger gains to running carbs but if I have them already
and they work well no point in binning them.
sure we will see how the pinto performs. was pretty limp before on the 40s so hopefully the 45s will being a bit of extra life to them
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DarrenW
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| posted on 29/2/08 at 10:46 PM |
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Have you looked at the dunnel website? Thats what Pete has. Im sure similar gains can be had for less money.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 07:38 AM |
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I'm not going into anything about whether a RH is suitable for 200bhp as I havent a clue but if 200bhp is your aim then why not consider a
Duratec?? They give pretty much that sort of power without any internal mods and so must be worth considering when you do your sums. The exhaust exits
on the same side as the Pinto too so that may help.
Chester Sportscars had a Tiger Supercat with one in running on a Webcon injection kit and the standard exhaust manifold and that was quoted at 203bhp.
Not sure on what mods are required to get the engine to fit but it might be more cost effective that fitting a Zetec and then forking out for a ported
head and cams to get yourself 200bhp. The Duratec is lighter than the Zetec being alloy - i dont think a Zetec is significantly lighter than a Pinto -
maybe 15 or 20kg??
Some pics of the engine install here
This might be useful for anyone looking at a Duratec install
[Edited on 1/3/08 by Paul TigerB6]
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2b_pablo
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 08:05 AM |
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the chassis should be fine btw, few examples running v6s in excess of 200bhp
its also been on the road for 8 years odds so far so cant be that bad
BT - here is a present for you, come back when the painters are gone
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britishtrident
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| posted on 1/3/08 at 02:57 PM |
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Pleanty of Robin Hood owners clubs around,
Every model of Robin Hood I have looked at since the original Triumph 1500 based car has had a really serious design defect usually connected with
the front suspension. The 2b front suspension in its original form was particularly bad.
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