Danozeman
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 08:56 PM |
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Is anyone running a car on lpg.
As above. Does anyone have a tintop on lpg? Im contemplating getting a vag 1.8t and converting it. Just wondered how cheap to run lpg is compared
to straight petrol? Any loss of power etc.
Anyone diy fitted a kit?
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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zilspeed
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 08:59 PM |
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Yes, I've done it.
Power on LPG, now same as petrol now I have it mapped properly.
Car does 40mpg on Petrol and 30mpg on gas. Does about 110 miles for a tenner of LPG.
And yes, I diy fitted it.
System is Aldesa RSI+
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 09:01 PM |
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my mum bought a peugeot with lpg already fitted. it seems alright. no noticeable power loss on gas (peugeots are a bit low on power for my liking
anyway. don't know why she insisted on getting another one...), though the idle's a bit rough on gas.
i think mpg is a bit down on gas vs petrol, but bearing in mind the price of gas it still works out cheaper.
mmm, still undecided whether i'd bother running lpg myself. its quite good, but i'm not completely sold on it myself i think
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 10:08 PM |
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I looked in to getting my carby cars done, but got no where in the end. All the systems I looked at were over 1k even for DIY which I think is utter
cr4p for something so simple plus the seemed to suffer from backfiring a lot with tails of manifolds exploding (no I didn't believe that either)
but they seemed to leave a lot to be desired.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 10:19 PM |
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whippy, you don't instill me with confidence  but can it be done on carbed cars? i'm was considering doing it to the pickup, but being
as its on bike carbs, i wasn't sure it could be done.
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Thinking about it
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 10:43 PM |
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I think it can be done on carbed cars. Years ago a company I worked for used an ouside transport company. They had Transit vans with big gas bottles
in the back instead of a tank. Probably not leagal but it kept their fuel costs down even then back in the early eighties.
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blakep82
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| posted on 16/4/08 at 10:47 PM |
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i can see in injected cars how the fuel could be stopped by just switching off the injectors, but can't see how it would work with a carb
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 12:11 AM |
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To be honest I think there have been a lot of deliberate lies put out by companies who fit kits to try to dissuade people from doing a DIY LPG
conversion. Things like needing a Corgi certification (bo!!ocks), needing a thin walled cylinder which happens to cost several hundred pound instead
of a standard industrial gas cylinder (which must be at least ten times stronger and the crappy car type). The rubbish about manifolds exploding,
Jesus I’ve poured cupfuls of petrol down manifolds with 2ft flames and huge bangs and never seen even a bent butterfly valve! I don’t think for a
minute a 5mm thick aluminium manifold is going to explode!! At worst it might blow the vacuum hose off and I ain’t seen that happen either…
I looked over a works LPG forklift that I used to use and it was nothing more than a utterly standard Toyota car engine with a half baked gas mixer
thing consisting of a small pipe into the middle of the inlet, a rotary valve to control the amount of gas released linked to the throttle by a rod
and a solenoid valve to shut the gas on and off with the ignition, that was it nothing more and it ran great with bags of power! Oh yes and it also
had an aluminium manifold…that never blow up.
One other thing to bare in mind is that if you are using a car type tank with only a filling station pump filler you are then stuck with what ever the
gas costs at a filling station, which I have noticed is going up quite a bit. Fit a standard gas bottle and you can just buy the gas at ordinary rates
without the tax hikes.
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triumphdave
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 05:18 AM |
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I have been running my explorer on LPG for a couple of years know,well pleased with it.I can not tell the difference when it changes over.Paying 43p a
litre
If you always do what you have always done you will always get what you have always got
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Danozeman
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 05:45 AM |
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Carbd cars can be done. Iv found kits for 500 quid for carbs. The only way i can see that it stops the fuel is it shuts the fuel to the carb and
lets the bowl run dry. How else could you do it?
Im trying to compare an lpg'd car running cost compared to a TDi as veg oil has gone through the roof. Plus i quite fancy doing a conversion
just to have a go.
Dan
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 06:49 AM |
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I have been thinking about LPG but the problem i see is that, give it a few years and LPG will be the same price as petrol. I would consider Mr
Whippys idea but whats to stop them hiking the price up on that too just as they have done with veggie oil?
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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pawgrp
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 07:01 AM |
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I'm looking to buy my own 2500l tank ( Wefco, Gainsborough,£950 ) and buying from whoever is cheapest, currently 28p/l. Will then run workshop
heating and two vehicles on it.
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Puk
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 07:27 AM |
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I've got a juicy Voyager - its got a 3.3V6 and returns 20 - 24 mpg  I had intended to go the LPG route, but they don't sell it around
here (Denmark). Maybe there is a way of getting a supply via one of my farmer mates or a trucking company. Mr. Whippy what other purposes is LPG sold
for?
Before you judge a guy, walk a mile in his shoes. Then when you judge him, you're a mile a way and you've nicked his shoes.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 07:53 AM |
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What is not used for? I have 3 cylinders in the garage alone and 2 in the caravan.
My last house had a huge one outside for the heating. These cylinders are drop tested, set on fire and have heavy gauge steel construction making the
so called car tanks look like drinks cans in comparison.
quote:
Carbd cars can be done. Iv found kits for 500 quid for carbs quote:
Got a link to that kit?
[Edited on 17/4/08 by Mr Whippy]
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Puk
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 08:01 AM |
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Is LPG propane / butane? Is that what the Toyota motor in the forklift that you mentioned?
Are wikipedia has the answer, its a mix of the two plus a little ethanethiol, so that you can smell any leaks:
linky.
Thanks for the steer
[Edited on 17/4/08 by Puk]
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Puk
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 08:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Got a link to that kit?
[Edited on 17/4/08 by Mr Whippy]
Looks promising
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 08:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Puk
Is LPG propane / butane? Is that what the Toyota motor in the forklift that you mentioned?
all the industrial machinery I've seen running on gas has been using these gas cylinders which are just clamped on. That site looks good,
I'll ask them for a price breakdown and see if they can supply components rather than whole kits.
cheers.
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ok I have e-mail the company this...
Hello,
I am wondering if you could give me details for a large car builders forum, as many are interested in converting their cars to LPG but do not know
enough about the system in terms of cost and problems.
I personally am interested in converting 3 of my cars – a Nissan Bluebird 1800 petrol automatic, JBA Falcon kit car using a 2000 Ford pinto
carburettor engine & VW beetle based dune buggy with a 1600 air-cooled flat four.
I live in Scotland and the LPG is quite available here but most kits are sold only for injection cars plus kits are very expensive. Do you sell
individual components or just complete kits? I would be quite happy to use industrial cylinders rather than dedicated car tanks but wonder if you have
heard of people having had problems using such cylinders in cars. I would like to completely remove the petrol tank and carburettor, is the realistic
or will I initially have to run on petrol till the engine heats up, also how would the petrol be shut off? (a question asked this morning).
Any information and guides to prices would be very helpful to myself and other member of the forum who live in many different countries. The engines
used by other members range from motorbike engined cars to 4ltr v12 engines so I can not be too specific with those.
Thanks,
[Edited on 17/4/08 by Mr Whippy]
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Puk
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 09:13 AM |
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I'll be interested to see what they come back with. Actually I had also emailed them, though with a more specific question about my Chrysler and
the possibility of using butane or propane instead of LPG. I'll post whatever comes back.
Cheers,
James
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graememk
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 09:16 AM |
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make sure you put a sign on the car as i feel for the firefighters that come to put burning cars out then get blown up as the bottle goes.
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 09:51 AM |
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You can't fit a removable fuel tank to a road going vehicle and still pass an MOT. The LPG tanks on fork trucks use different connectors to
camping and heating gas bottles.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 10:12 AM |
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well the calor gas tanks are fire tested, and can be fitted with the same pressure relief valves used on the car tanks so they vent gas in a fire
rather than explode. If you bolt in the tank it's about as removable as a petrol tank. All the fuel filler connections are fitted to the car
shell and not the tank it's self so there is no difference in connecting them to either tank. The forklift I used had exactly the same connector
and tank to the ones I have in the caravan and garage.
[Edited on 17/4/08 by Mr Whippy]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 11:30 AM |
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Pay back time for a modern four cylinder doing 30 mpg on petrol is a about 12 to 18 months depending mileage.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 11:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by triumphdave
I have been running my explorer on LPG for a couple of years know,well pleased with it.I can not tell the difference when it changes over.Paying 43p a
litre
43p a litre is pretty good prices I have seen quoted are about 55p.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
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blakep82
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 11:33 AM |
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49-59p round here
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/4/08 at 12:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
The forklift I used had exactly the same connector and tank to the ones I have in the caravan and garage.
The ones we used have larger unions with a hand tightened nut and a much coarser thread than our camping bottles which have a thread for the standard
regulator and a hexagonal nut.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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