Moorron
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 posted on 4/11/08 at 12:56 PM |
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mot probs
Ok so I need some advice here.
I am currently using my Dads spare car as my main car is off the road (sorn and no mot) and as he is out of the country and i am insured on it i am
going to use it. But the Mot runs out today on it, As i am stuffed without a car I have booked it into a place close to my work so I could leave it
there and hopefully give me some more time to fix it when it fails. Ive booked tomorrow off for this. I didn’t use my normal chosen place because of
this.
Well, now i am worried. I have just lost all trust in this new place and want to know where I stand. They don’t do the Mot’s they take it to a
‘friends’ place to do them and I have just been told its failed. It a KA on a P plate and is in good condition. Its failed on sill, passenger’s floor
and brake pedal travel. When I booked it in yesterday I mentioned that I recall my dad saying something about the rear tyres. As we walked to the car
he said ‘yes I can see from here they need doing I will fit some here before taking it round to the mot place. But this morning I checked the rear
tyres and they are nearly new! So my trust dropped some at this point, but I left a note in the car as I dropped it off this morning to not fit any.
I am concerned that because of this and the fact he was very prompt in calling me back with a quote to weld the car up with a ‘new floor panel!!!
after I told him I would pick it up at lunch time to ‘sort’ the problems myself. He also told me the brake pedal travel was probably just the pads and
this made me loose all confidence with them.
So, as i am stuffed for time and no longer trust them I was going to pick the car up and grudgingly take it round to the mot place I do trust to see
what it fails on there. First off can I do this now the car as been recorded as a failure on another Mot’s computer? If the car doesn’t need the
welding doing after it test tonight can I take it up with someone? Is it worth it?
Also, I dropped one of my range rover wheels off to get a new tyre fitted, he told me that its not done because its on the bottom of the pile and
needs inflating with an inner tube to flex it back into shape? I am really not feeling too good about all of this at the moment.
Help!
Cheers
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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r1_pete
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 01:13 PM |
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9 times out of 10 their ploy will work, folk would think arrggghhh welding, panic and give them the work.
Your failure will be recorded, but, you are quite at liberty to repair the car and take it to any other MOT station you choose, not sure whether a
full re-test is required, but as they all work to (or should) the same standard...... If there is any discounted re-test fee you will loose that
obviously.......
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 01:16 PM |
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I see no issues with taking it to another garage, especially of you think the first one if trying to con you. Can't see a P-reg needing new
sills anyway, as most modern cars body shells last for ages. Doesn't matter is its failed once before you can still drive it to a garage for
another MOT, I do
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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l0rd
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 01:21 PM |
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As far as i know, when a car fails the MOT, you are not allowed to drive it. At least that's what MOT people told me.
Obviously, they might say that in order to keep the car there for repairs.
The place that i have mine done was at a renault specialist, they then take it to a MOT centre. If it fails, they then take the car back at their
garage and have it repaired, this way the MOT station doesn't have a purpose of failing the car in purpose just to get extra money for
repairs.
On my last car, i asked them for a Pre-MOT test, they checked around the car apart from emissions cause if it had an emissions test, it would have to
go on the computer. The car failed, but i could still drive it around for a couple of days till i got all the replacement parts.
[Edited on 4/11/08 by l0rd]
[Edited on 4/11/08 by l0rd]
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24vseven
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 01:32 PM |
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there are no issues re moting a car at a diffrent garage we do it quitye regulaly (peoples cars fail at there chosen spot we aquire the car and mot
them at our chosen place no problems
as for driving the car ist in conjunction with mot related issues ie repair or inspection so as long as its pre booked i belive its legal
hth
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owelly
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 01:53 PM |
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As I see it, you can drive your car as long as it has a current valid MOT cert, regardless of if it has failed a test. The test center that issues the
fail can advise you not to drive it and if you had an accident and it was attributed to the fault recorded, you'd be up crit shreek.
I've seen a rotton Ka on an S plate so it's possible that it needs welding!!
As for the Rangey tyre, if the tyre has been squashed at the bottom of a pile of tyres, it can be tricky to get them to seal. Most places have a
method to get them started. Most use a "Cheeta" which is a method of blowing a whopping bundle of air into the tyre, usually around the
rim, to inflate the tyre onto the rim. I use a ratchet strap around the circumference of the tyre.
HTH.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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mikeb
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 01:57 PM |
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Check that it doesn't need welding first, fords of that age can go, I've heard of fiestas newer than that needing sills welding.
If it all looks good take it to the other place, if it passes, you can report the other place, think there is a phone number to ring.
Don't forget cars are dirt cheap at the minute so for 350 quid you could have a car with 12 months ticket on it. Buy one use it for a few months
sell it for the same money!
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BenB
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 02:17 PM |
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If it's a P-reg I'm sure it might need welding. I've done both sills on my P-reg tintop Micra already.
I'd do the following:
Go and have a good look at the car. If the sills are gone it's normally quite obvious. Chop out the grot, weld in some patches (make sure you
seam weld) and spray it. Job done. Might look rubbish but they can't really compain unless it's not strong enough. When I did this last
time I even filled it and made it look right pretty but it was a PITA and you can't see it unless you're under the car!!
Fit some new pads.
Take it somewhere else for the new MOT.
Most councils run MOT centres. They don't do work so they never go looking for it.... The waiting list is quite long though.
I'd be highly suspicious of a garage that does the work but not the MOT. It's in their interest for "their friend" to fail the
MOT so they get the work!!!!
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02GF74
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 02:22 PM |
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go back to the garage and ask them to show you the areas that have rotted.
remember a Ka is not a volvo; P reg is getting pretty old - must be 12 years.
look at the cars around you, majority are newer than 5 years.
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Phil.J
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 04:15 PM |
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Don't know where you are in the Midlands,
but I always take my cars to Gills Transport nr Four Ashes, Wolverhampton. They just do MOT's and have no interest in carrying out repairs, so I
know they are always totally honest. Only had one minor fail point in twenty years of using them, retested for free the following morning.
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Mark G
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 06:44 PM |
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If your car has failed the MOT then it is illegal to drive it on the roads unless you have it booked it in for an MOT retest.
When the car fails it also voids any remaining time left on the current ticket.
I wouldn't be surprised if a car of that age needs welding. Also a spongey pedal is commonly related to heavily lipped discs or old brake
fluid.
Check the car over and see what you think. If you are really that concerned then you can submit the car to the Ministry of Transport for them to
check the car and the testers work.
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froggy
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 07:55 PM |
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if the car has a current test then a fail does not cancel out the current test ,ka,s of that age do rot normally at the rear of the sill and spongy
pedal is normally dirty fluid,if the pads/discs have not been failed or advised then its unlikely to be a problem there unless the calipers are
sticking on the sliders.
i cant speak for other test centres but mine turns over a six figure sum and is far too valuable to do favours and find work for other garages so
maybe you should do the welding flush out the old fluid, get it re tested and get on with your life
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matt_claydon
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| posted on 6/11/08 at 09:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark G
If your car has failed the MOT then it is illegal to drive it on the roads unless you have it booked it in for an MOT retest.
When the car fails it also voids any remaining time left on the current ticket.
Sorry but that is completely wrong on both counts.
Existing certificate remains valid until expiry date. Even if the ticket has expired you can drive the vehicle too and from a pre-booked
appointment at a test centre or place of repair.
If it does fail and you have an accident then you'll have some explaining to do, but there's nothing intrinsically illegal about driving a
car that has failed an MOT if it still has an in date cert. You could still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle, but not for not having
an MOT cert.
Obviously, if it's failed for something like bald tyres which is a specific offence (usually 3 points) then you would definitely be prosecuted
for it if caught.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 7/11/08 at 03:44 PM |
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I think id be taking the car to another test centre. Only downer is the second fee. Seems like sound advice to ask the tester to show you what they
feel are the failure points.
I dont trust all garages. Had MOT done at a quick fit type centre a while back, failed on the bits that they do for a living, car passed at another
garage.
Had tyres fitted 18 months ago on BMW. Garage said a rear spring was broken and quoted to replace. 6 months later i got car serviced, asked garage to
take a look, they reported both rear springs were fine.
Place i usually go for MOT's failed my BMW 2 years ago for a bush and some sort of joint. Luckily car had 2 days warranty left. Took it back to
main dealer, had to pay for another MOT but they did the work required (found same faults). This has reconfirmed to me that i use a good MOT place.
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johnston
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| posted on 11/11/08 at 08:23 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised if the ka(ck) needs welded I had to one a while back wee car looked mint apart from the front section of nearside
sill..
What I have noticed No-one else has mentioned and maybe the mainland is different from NI but on ours it says the the certifcate is only valid for the
day of test!!!!
As long as its lessthan year from previous test any other results dont count anyway.. but regardless of any faults plod can nail you under the
construction & use regs
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rodriguez
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| posted on 11/11/08 at 10:20 PM |
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you are legal to drive it until the current ticket runs out, whether its failed or not!
I would expect it to need the welding, we built a ka rally car for some1, they supplied a half built car. but it needed sills, patched on the floor,
an under the back bumper was horrendous. put new panels on it, but wasnt worth the hastle in my opinion. As said above, cars with a years ticket can
be had for buttons these days
get it lit
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