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qwerty_100

posted on 21/7/14 at 02:32 PM Reply With Quote
Sylve Phoenix rebuild

I have been a member for about 4 years know as and this is a new section I thought I would lend some support. So I purchased this about 18 months to 2 years ago with the intension of just getting it on the road as they say one thing led to another it well you all know the rest. It is almost there probably could do with a complete paint job but just do not have time as would like to drive this year.( I am lead to believe it is Ian Graysons ex race car ?)

[img]http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/gbszero/media/CentralBedfordshire-20130726-00092.jpg.html?sort=2&o=3[/img]

[img]http://s1061.photobucket.com/user/gbszero/media/IMG-20140720-00002.jpg.html?sort=2&o=12[/img]

First picture is not long after I got the car it had a very poorly CVH engine in it with a hole in the side of the block, so temp fitted redtop (Vauxhall) and fabed up gearbox and engine mounts. Engine has now had a full rebuild.
So then I set about tidying up the wiring and you guest it I know have a nice new wiring loom.
New dash fabricated with new clocks.
New fuel tank and sender .
New front callipers and disks.
Thanks to Steve at fury sports cars he sold me just the bulge from one of his bonnets as I could not get one to fit and this has been fibre glassed in and sprayed although I think I will end up getting the whole car painted in the winter as my paint work is not the best but will do for know.
The wheels and the roll bar have been stripped and re powder in red as I was not a big fan of the green.

There is still plenty to do .
Make new interior
Cooling system (bit unsure which direction to go in)
Refit whole car
At the moment I have a 4 speed box with tranex gears in.(sounds nice but would prefer a 5 speed ) so may change.
Suspension set up probably at procomp ( may be new shocks as the ones on are spax and quite old.)
M.O.T

I wish I could upload more pics not just then and know any advise on the car is most welcome cheers Kev

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jeffw

posted on 21/7/14 at 02:40 PM Reply With Quote









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jeffw

posted on 21/7/14 at 02:42 PM Reply With Quote
Engine look about 6" further forward than I would expect.






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Dopdog

posted on 21/7/14 at 02:44 PM Reply With Quote
is that a Phoenix or the spyder fury?
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adithorp

posted on 21/7/14 at 02:58 PM Reply With Quote
Early Phoenix with the Fury-like rear.





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jeffw

posted on 21/7/14 at 03:07 PM Reply With Quote
Actually it really looks like a Fury






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qwerty_100

posted on 21/7/14 at 03:39 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks for the response guys
Jeff: The engine can not go any further back as the gear box bell housing would hit the drivers side footwell it only clears buy 7-10 mm now. Thanks for posting the photos much appreciated
I believe this was called the MK4 clubman/Phoenix, probably looks like a fury because the bulge is of a fury.

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qwerty_100

posted on 21/7/14 at 03:47 PM Reply With Quote
One further question ? What have people done to the exhaust side with regard heat shield to stop the interior panelling getting to hot to sit next to cheers.
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adithorp

posted on 21/7/14 at 03:53 PM Reply With Quote
My Fury has heat-mat on the outside of the side panel. It still gets pretty warm though.

I have seen one or two Furys with ally panels on both inside and outside the chassis on that side, making it double skinned.





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qwerty_100

posted on 21/7/14 at 03:59 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks Adi I will have a look and get some, I have thought of skinning the inside but its a tight fit at the moment. The inside was not designed for short over weight middle aged men carrying a few to many pounds at least its cosy.
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Dopdog

posted on 21/7/14 at 04:19 PM Reply With Quote
What gearbox do you have? on my first striker I ended up cutting the bell housing on that side to get the engine further back. is this not an option for you?

pictures we need pictures

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Dopdog

posted on 21/7/14 at 04:28 PM Reply With Quote
OK so I have just followed the link to your pictures and your car is a striker MK4 Clubman, it is a striker chassis as you can tell by the round tubes on the outside of the chassis where you sit. I also have just seen that you are fitting the XE engine, this is the same install I did on my striker. If you follow the below link it will lead you to Bens thread and it shows the engine install. If you contact Ben I am sure he will show you what he has done.

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=182409

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qwerty_100

posted on 21/7/14 at 04:52 PM Reply With Quote
Thanks dopdog I am using a rocket box 4 speed with tranex gear set. I would prefer a 5 speed type 9 I have the engine as far back as possible and have already cut the bell housing slightly. I have PM,d Ben before about his cooling system. Looking at his pictures I would say the two engines look to be in the same ish place and angle. I will try to upload some more pictures later showing the engine position and the bike carbs etc. As I am a bit of a clutz with software this could be a long night. You are spot on it is a MK4 clubman cheers for the help cheers Kev
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jeffw

posted on 21/7/14 at 06:14 PM Reply With Quote
Looking at it more closely I think it is an optical illusion and it is as far back as it will go.






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philfingers

posted on 27/7/14 at 01:07 PM Reply With Quote
Interesting thread. I was about to say striker mkiIV club mans. But the bonnet is Phoenix I think. The early striker clubmans had a flat front, could later incarnations were like the Phoenix. Or it is indeed a Phoenix bonnet. The earlier strikers had square tube chassis around the sidescreen openings. If it's a striker chassis you'll see where the windscreen support has been cut off. Lots of strikers have been rebodied with the Phoenix body as it's the best looking body ;-)
What bel housing are you using? Alloy RS2000?

Phil





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qwerty_100

posted on 27/7/14 at 09:09 PM Reply With Quote
Hi Phill
I am using the QED bell housing that converts from ford to Vauxhall managed to finish painting the bonnet today looks ok but still have some reaction lines and its black and as I am not a painter I am sort of pleased. Next up is the interior I will try to post some pictures later thanks again for all the advise I am hoping to have it ready for Donnington work and home permitting cheers for now Kev.

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jeffw

posted on 28/7/14 at 06:02 AM Reply With Quote
Are you sure this is not a Sylva Fury? The bonnet doesn't match the Phoenix



Phoenix



fury



yours.

Note the bonnet bulge and the indicators. The Phoenix has specific raised area for indicators and the headlight area is larger than what you have. The Fury picture matches yours, front and back.

[Edited on 28/7/14 by jeffw]






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Sam_68

posted on 28/7/14 at 06:26 AM Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
Are you sure this is not a Sylva Fury? The bonnet doesn't match the Phoenix


Phoenix



That's a 'second generation' Phoenix, though.

The Original Striker MK.IV/Clubmans/Phoenix came with two bonnets: one as per the OP's car, and the 'downforce' bonnet, which my car had:



The Fury was based on the original Phoenix/Clubmans, but with a re-engineered chassis to allow doors and windscreen (though Fisher later took it full circle by creating an aeroscreened 'spyder' version), hence had an essentially identical bonnet.

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jeffw

posted on 28/7/14 at 06:43 AM Reply With Quote
OK....but was it ever called Phoenix? My understand from conversation with Jeremy that it wasn't.

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philfingers

posted on 28/7/14 at 08:17 AM Reply With Quote
Jeff, you're correct I'm sure. It was a Striker MkIV clubmans, the Phoenix was yet to be born. It may well be documented in that magazine article, I'm offshore at the moment so can't check. If not then it could well be in the book ian stent wrote in the mid 90's about the various seven types around at the time. I'm struggling to open the images, on a very slow connection here. Certainly the Phoenix was the firsts and only one with the rounded back end.





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philfingers

posted on 28/7/14 at 08:34 AM Reply With Quote
Looking again I was wrong re the bonnet being Phoenix. I know the first MkIV came with the air dam type front, there was a later bonnet similar to a fury, tho the fury didn't exist as such at the time. As I remember the MkIV was out maybe 87/88. The fury didn't appear until quite a bit later. And then it came first with doors and a screen. The spyder version was later still
I can't remember what suspension the MkIV had, I recollect the out board double wishbones at the front as per MKIII Striker.
Kev- what history do you have for the car? Also what suspension is on the front?

[Edited on 28/7/14 by philfingers]





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qwerty_100

posted on 28/7/14 at 09:15 AM Reply With Quote
Hi Phil
As far as I know the car was built for Ian Grayson to race in the 750 motor club series it can be seen in CCC being tested against a westfield and another make I have a copy of the mag. It was then purchased by the guy I bought it from who toured in it and may have done some hill climbs but not to sure about that. It was fitted with a 1.6CVH on twin 40,s and a 4 speed box said to have Tranex internals. When I got the car the engine had a big hole in the block so I decided to put the Vauxhall redtop in as I already had 2 of these in the garage, this caused me to have to put a bigger bonnet bulge on which Steve at Fury sports cars sold me and I fibre glassed this into the original bonnet.( the bulge is from one of the fury range cant remember which)
The suspension is spax and look very old and are probably not much use so will need changing. As far as I know it is a Mk4 but had the body put on at the build stage. It has the single round lights at the back and not individuals like the later ones. The car came with an extensive folder and receipts hope this clarifies things thanks again for your help and advise guys cheers Kev.

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philfingers

posted on 28/7/14 at 09:41 AM Reply With Quote
Sounds interesting Kev. Out of interest what front suspension is on the car, is it rocking arm or outboard dampers with double wishbones?
Also what year was the magazine article?
Interesting read all the same, good luck with the rebuild





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jeffw

posted on 28/7/14 at 10:04 AM Reply With Quote






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philfingers

posted on 28/7/14 at 12:20 PM Reply With Quote
Ah yes, that's (as far as I know) the modified escort mk2 front legs with rocker arms. There were two options for the lowers. Either the stock escort bottom Track control arms (TCA) and a tie bar or the custom adjustable one. You have the latter. That is good.
I can see now, and my memory returns! The XE starter is on the offside if the car which limits the engine location





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