cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:09 AM |
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An Engine Game!
Hi Locosters.
As I'm sure you are aware you are all more knowledgeable than me and I wanted to see what your take on the following game would be.
The rules are as follows:
You must buy an engine.
You have up to £1500.
You have a chassis designed for a car engine (unfeasible to be a BEC).
You already have a type 9 gearbox (assume sale will add £100 to the money you have to spend).
Once the money has been spent the engine should be in a state in which it is transferable into a car (i.e. complete with gearbox, necessary
ancillaries and megasquirt). You don't need to buy an exhaust with this money though.
Any money you have left over can be used to enhance the engine. Lowest cost to highest bhp ratio wins!
To get the ball rolling heres my 2 first ideas:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-RedTop-C20XE-2-0-16v-Engine_W0QQitemZ250351227580QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item25035122
7580&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
and use the rest of the money getting it in the car. (No idea how much this would cost for new bellhousing etc!)
OR
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-2004-ford-focus-2-0-zetec-engine-low-miles-54-000_W0QQitemZ250350042169QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM
?hash=item250350042169&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318.
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mr_pr
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:22 AM |
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No idea myself, but a good alternative too...
What engine should i use type thread!
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iank
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:25 AM |
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RX8 engine and box.
Maybe
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/rx-8-engine-high-power-13B-2005-8000-miles_W0QQitemZ160305308215QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item16
0305308215&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
Or pushing the budget
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/231-BHP-RX-8-ENGINE-900-miles-from-new_W0QQitemZ250351894737QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item250351
894737&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1299|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
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scootz
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:36 AM |
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Having previously gone down the RX8 route with my old Caterham, I would agree that you can indeed get the engine and box on budget, but you will have
to spend another grand on bits to make it run outside it's intended application!
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:44 AM |
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engine
2.0 L zetec that means most bits will
swap over alternator starter ect.
Inlet Manifold
Rs turbo exhaust manifold and turbo.
Decompresion plate
Arp rod bolt set
megasquirt 1 kit
Doable if you can fabricate bits your self and should give 250bhp
lots of change for the hidden extras 
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mookaloid
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:48 AM |
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How about
this?
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:48 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
engine
2.0 L zetec that means most bits will
swap over alternator starter ect.
Inlet Manifold
Rs turbo exhaust manifold and turbo.
Decompresion plate
Arp rod bolt set
megasquirt 1 kit
Doable if you can fabricate bits your self and should give 250bhp
lots of change for the hidden extras
If only I could weld (I assume thats what you mean by "fabricate"!)
On the wankel engine front I would be worried that I wouldn't know what to do if something went wrong!
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
How about
this?
Ah wow is that actually a duratec or a zetec badged as a duratec? I'm not sure which ones are the dodgy ones!
I was looking into duratec rwd conversion costs and they seem to be very high, any ideas on value? New bellhousing, water rail, sump etc, could be 1k
even?
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:51 AM |
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or keeping it Na and on a smaller budget.
Engine as above £85
Megasquirt as above £160
X111/ blackbird b's £35
Bog bro's manifold £200
Escort sump £25
thats £470 for 165 bhp
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:54 AM |
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quote:
Ah wow is that actually a duratec or a zetec badged as a duratec?
Its a zetec with vairable valve timing
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gregs
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:54 AM |
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somebody might be able to say why it's not possible, but a Mk3 golf 16v (ABF) Gti engine gave 150bhp as standard, and was readilly mappable for
170bhp (£150).... tiger's belgian agent sells bell housings to mount VW engines to type 9 (pricey at ~£500) , and the engine was fitted N/S in
passats so sumps not a problem (~£25).
Having driven a mk3 gti for a couple of years previously, it is a great engine so have never understood why no-body puts it into sevens? - is it coz
it's too tall?
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:56 AM |
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cheers big wasa, that N/A option looks very appealing!
Although c20xe will give 150bhp for less monies?
[Edited on 4/1/09 by cd.thomson]
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tomblyth
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 11:57 AM |
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got to be this package
link
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tomblyth
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:01 PM |
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if you want ford
link
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:03 PM |
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Not a chance will you install the red top for less than a zetec.
you will get more power out of a standard red top how ever.
I still think the zetec wins on the bhp/ £
[Edited on 4/1/09 by big_wasa]
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:07 PM |
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Buy an mot failer 2.0 mondeo and transplant the lot in to the kit.
add a super chip and thats a complete install and 150bhp for the price of the red top engine.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tomblyth
got to be this package
link
wow..
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:13 PM |
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quote:
wow..
Wow indeed But with 5 bids and 7 days to run added to the fact you will need a gearbox that going to be well outside your £1500 imho
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:16 PM |
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I wont need a gearbox as it comes included, but I will need a new propshaft and it will end up selling for a far greater amount of money than it is
showing at the minute. A man can dream!
Zetec is looking like the cheapest good option with c20xe being a moderately more expensive choice but with a higher standard spec I think.
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speedyxjs
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:26 PM |
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£175 and spend the rest of the money at aj6engineering and get
up to 750hp out of it 
How long can i resist the temptation to drop a V8 in?
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:29 PM |
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yep the zetec will need a set of cams and some head work to get the 200bhp that the red top is going to give with tb's and a good exhaust.
So only gives the better bhp/£ at the top end of your budget.
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:29 PM |
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anything RWD and with a volvo badge .
you could use the extra £100 for something else since youll get a decent gearbox with the whole car .
whole car .
about £500 (maybe less if your good) later , youll have 250bhp
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-VOLVO-940-CELEBRATION-ESTATE-GREEN_W0QQitemZ220337183376QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9872QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[Edited on 4/1/09 by Volvorsport]
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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big_wasa
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:31 PM |
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hmm I do like that 3.0l engine from the 960 like Benzines
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:37 PM |
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or if your having the chassis made to the engine .
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1995-VOLVO-850-T5-TURBO-GREEN-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ130278188895QQihZ003QQcategoryZ9872QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 12:44 PM |
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unfortunately the chassis is already made for a pinto, so some modification is allowed, but not a complete change!
That'll mean the V12 is out the window too then.. 
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