chrisg
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| posted on 27/7/02 at 11:48 PM |
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My engine is from the dark ages!
Tried the oil down the bores - no luck
I think it started and then as it warmed up the clearances have closed stopping it.
Steve, mate, If i could get it running would!!
Cheers
Chris
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johnston
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 09:45 AM |
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basically then its heat seizing witout very much heat????mmmm
instead of the new short motor why dont u get it reborred by a few more thou
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chrisg
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 09:52 AM |
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I could do that but it may be the crank or big end bearings, it's probably easier to get a new block - anybody got one?
Cheers
Chris
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 10:08 AM |
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yeah, heat seizing without a lotta heat is weird.
So, once it stops, trying to turn the crank with a spanner finds it seized?
If your engines basically trash, why not go for it and start it up one more time with some 2 stroke oil in the petrol for extra lube and keep the revs
up. if it comprehensively siezes, then you will know!
did you try and turn the crank? this sounds so weird.
When my last co car was new it ran so bad in the first 20 miles i nearly drive it right back but it cleared. they all did that i was told and the car
never makes full power, according to mfr, until about 6k! Maxda 323 xzi V6 2 litre.
atb
steve
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 10:09 AM |
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do you still get a spark once it spins - even so it could be the coil breaking down...try another?
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chrisg
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 03:17 PM |
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yeah the spark and fuel are good but it is very tight to turn with a spanner, I'm trying to start it but it won't have it now
If it starts again I'm going to rev the balls off it and try to loosen it up.
Have a look in the corner of the garage guys - no pinto blocks there are there?
Cheers
Chris
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interestedparty
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 04:05 PM |
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Chris, reading through this thread it seems you have rebuilt this engine since it last ran. Are you absolutely certain that the cam timing is right???
Not a notch or two out is it?
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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chrisg
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 04:59 PM |
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Hi John,
It has run since the rebuild and i've checked the timing four times now.
Bugger
Cheers
Chris
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johnston
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| posted on 28/7/02 at 06:03 PM |
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try ian harwood usually has a load of blocks for sale
wouldnt think it would be bearings they would normally turn in the housings
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/7/02 at 09:31 AM |
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Chris :
Another radical idea (it works on robot wars!).
Might cost you a visit to the breakers for a new starter motor after tho....
Perhaps engine isnt firing cos its not getting the speed from the motor.
Try TWO 12v batteries in series to the MOTOR ONLY!. That should give you a lot more oomph to get it spinning and hopefully fire. Quick start spray
might also encourage it to pick up.
Have a bucket of water ready in case you get fire no 3......
atb
steve
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 29/7/02 at 09:19 PM |
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Chris,
if you rebuilt it yourself, have you had the main bearing caps off? It's possible you could have got the thrust washers in incorrectly (seized a
pinto once doing this. Fortunately, the engine was still on the stand at the time).
Whatever you do, don't just rev the nutsack off it if it does start, you'll just throw a rod that way......
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chrisg
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| posted on 29/7/02 at 10:21 PM |
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Yeah the engines been down to the last nut and bolt, so i'm going to drop the sump and check out the bearings.
i've already tried the two batteries!!
Actually I don't know about throwing a rod, i could throw the whole car!!!!!!
Cheers
Chris
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paulf
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| posted on 31/7/02 at 08:56 PM |
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Also make sure the bearing caps are not mixed up and the right way around.When i worked in the motor trade for a machine shop it was supprising how
many people just threw the bottom end together and then complained that we had not ground the crank correctly because it would not turn.
Paul
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Chris,
if you rebuilt it yourself, have you had the main bearing caps off? It's possible you could have got the thrust washers in incorrectly (seized a
pinto once doing this. Fortunately, the engine was still on the stand at the time).
Whatever you do, don't just rev the nutsack off it if it does start, you'll just throw a rod that way......
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chrisg
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| posted on 31/7/02 at 10:01 PM |
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Thanks to all for your input,
I'm going to replace the block
Bet the B*st*rd still won't start!!!!
Cheers
Chris 
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James
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| posted on 1/8/02 at 02:06 PM |
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Johnston wrote:
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instead of the new short motor why dont u get it reborred by a few more thou
Just out of interest- about how much does this cost?
A littel O/T I know- sorry.
Cheers,
James
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paulf
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| posted on 1/8/02 at 10:07 PM |
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If it was actually bored to tight it would only be by a thou or two,and the only way would be to hone the extra metal out. The problem is it takes
ages to hone out a thou as the hone only really removes the machining marks or high spots. Once the bore is a smooth honed finish it is difficult to
enlarge it much further.
The best idea would be to undo the conrods and check the fit of the crank and pistons.
Was the block bored to suit the pistons or just to a nominal oversize? we used to insist on having the pistons to measure before we would bore a block
as they do vary sometines from the nominal size.
Paul.
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Johnston wrote:
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instead of the new short motor why dont u get it reborred by a few more thou
Just out of interest- about how much does this cost?
A littel O/T I know- sorry.
Cheers,
James
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locodude
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| posted on 1/8/02 at 10:53 PM |
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Hi All
When I had my 1600 XF enlarged to 1700 it was £10 per pot + vat. I took him the pistons though to make sure of the sizes.
Chris PTM
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chrisg
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| posted on 2/8/02 at 08:05 PM |
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Well Chaps,
That's it!!!!
It ran for 30 seconds then seized solid.
It's well and truly f'd
never mind, new block coming, thanks for all you help,
Cheers
Chris
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 2/8/02 at 10:20 PM |
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Thatlll teach you for listening to all the crap advice on here!
Genuine comisserations BTW.
I rebuilt a metro turbo engine once, over many weekends at my then workplace. Spent 500 quid just on parts and machining. When putting it back
together, one of the valves dropped on the floor about 3 feet. Slid nicely in the guides, so no harm done.
Took the completed car down the road for a drive. After 2 miles, loss of power and big missfire. One cyl not working.
Limp back, let it cool down, all is well for another 2 miles.
Friggin valve was a tad bent, just enought to grip when hot. Luckily, people that did the engine work thought they hadnt fitted the guides right as
there was an impossibly tight tolerance on the guides. But at the time it felt like the end of the world.
You will get through it. There is light at the end of the tunnel. There will be blubirds over the white cliffs of dover.
and bits of shattered engine all over your garage.
now, feel better
atb
steve
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chrisg
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| posted on 3/8/02 at 10:45 AM |
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Thanks for that Steve,
I've already stripped the ancillaries off the engine and the blocks coming out as soon as I can borrow a crane, I'm going to take it apart - I need
to know what went wrong.
Cheers
Chris 
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Fatboy Dave
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| posted on 10/8/02 at 07:48 PM |
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Thatlll teach you for listening to all the crap advice on here!
Excuse me?!
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Whatever you do, don't just rev the nutsack off it if it does start, you'll just throw a rod that way......
That seemed like pretty good advice to me!
Hope you get things sorted soon Chris (and you don't do anthing as damn fool again, as Mr. T would say  )
Seriously, don't get uptight about it. We've all done stupid things in the past (even me. Yep. I did something so incredibly stupid once, I've
never lived it down yet).
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chrisg
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| posted on 11/8/02 at 09:48 AM |
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Thanks Dave!
It's good that you didn't say "I told you so" - oh wait you did!!!
Turns out that the oil pump drive shaft had sheared.
No oil = broken engine
Didn't throw a rod tho!!
Cheers
Chris
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interestedparty
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| posted on 11/8/02 at 10:10 AM |
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quote:
We've all done stupid things in the past (even me. Yep. I did something so incredibly stupid once, I've never lived it down yet).
Go on then, Fatboy Dave, I'll have a nibble on that one even if nobody else will
John
As some day it may happen that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list-- I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed-- who never would be missed!
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Paul Leggott
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| posted on 11/8/02 at 06:28 PM |
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I've had similar problems in the past. I would suggest try the following order;
1. take the fuel line off the carb and put into a jar switch the ignition on , then you can eliminate fuel pipes ,pump, pickup etc. Air leaks cheak
all joints especially the inlet manufold, with thin rubber gloves run your hand round the maifold any leak will suck the rubber in. You have checked
out the ignition, so the other thing is timming - sounds daft but I once new of a cam shaft fitted 180 degrees out engin ran 10 15 seconds then died
but with no damage. Have you checked that the valves arn't stuck open or burnt out and the last thing I can think of have you got compression.
Paul
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 11/8/02 at 10:20 PM |
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quote:
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Thatlll teach you for listening to all the crap advice on here!
Actually i was kinda referring to the several posts that I put in to help.
atb
steve
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