got my car maped yesterday 2.0 blk top zetec with gsxr throttle bodies made 168 bhp at flywheel and 139 bhp at the wheels
nice 1, who did the rolling toad for you?
What management?
GSX-R 750 bodies?
Whose manifold?
Nice result btw 
Running verniers so possibly different cams too
Excellent result.
What sort of torque was it producing and what was the shape of the graph?
i'm currently weighing up vauxhall vs zetec power. can't make up my mind!
Also, what ecu are you running, megasquirt?
Keep thinking of more questions from your photo archive it looks like you were running twin 45s before, what sort of power were they producing?
Also how much was the rolling road setup?
Sorry lots of questions
[Edited on 11/3/06 by olv]
where or who made your exhaust manifold for you looks very nice and shiny, i want one!
Alex
where or who made your exhaust manifold for you looks very nice and shiny, i want one!
Alex
manifold by bogg bros
ecu is DTA ex48
exhaust was luego item
torque was up by 25lb with a smooth climb to rev limit at 7250
old zetec with twin 45s only produced 130bhp on same r/road.
cost of r/road was £250
std cams at this time and found no gain from verniers.
throttle bodies gsxr 750 k4
trumpets from merlin motorsport
r/r done by FRANKINSTIEN MOTORSPORT
heath and reach nr leighton buzzard.
didnt get a print out but they are sending me one and i will post it up.
Thanks to everyone who answerd all my questions during my build
[Edited on 11/3/06 by APR]
Olv,
Go Vx route, your nearly get than power from a bog standard motor.
Olv,
Go Vx route, your nearly get than power from a bog standard motor.
I take it they are recommended then! Will have to look them up when I get mine on the road.
Do you fancy coming over to Abingdon on tuesday for the Oxfordshire meet, show of your freshly tuned car!
EDIT: By the way, is one of your pictures in your archive taken on top of Dunstable Downs? If it is, its about 2 miles from where I live back home.
[Edited on 12/3/2006 by greggors84]
greggors84
yes it was dunstable downs the other car was adz h. abingdon is a good possability send us some details, do many turn out for this????
Adrian.
The details of the location are here http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=36933
Had some good turn outs last year, but as its still cold and wet it might not be too many this month. Last month was a poor turn out, and Dan, who
normally organises the meets, isnt here either.
Should see tomorrow and tuesday who is planning on coming along.
I drove back past that car park on the way back from my first cocked up SVA.
quote:
Originally posted by TheKingofBling
Olv,
Go Vx route, your nearly get than power from a bog standard motor.
VX XE, totally std, incl std cams and pulleys, with 48mm throttle bodies will give approx 200hp flywheel, 175-180@ wheels.
Mine have made 176hp@ wheels and 172hp @ wheels
Much more than std Zetec, there is no contest in terms of std engines.
The Above says it all.
BUT.....to prove I am not biased! I have seen some fairly "mild" (pocketted pistons, revised cams and bigger inlet valves) Zetecs giving std
Vauxhalls a very good run for their money, though the Zetec would obviously still work out more expensive.
They also seem to have a tad more bulk to their torque curves than the vauxhall, no idea why.
VX XE still wins hands down though.
Zetec is very comparable in design and performance to the later VX Ecotec engine, which is significantly less capable in std or mildly tuned form than
the XE.
i know the xe is king ns, but dave walker wrote a rather glowing article about the ecowreck in ppc, apparantly they can show 200 hp without internal
mods. I was under the impression they had the edge over a zetec, any thoughts?
[Edited on 14/3/06 by liam.mccaffrey]
You won't see 200hp without touching internals I'm afraid.
It's not a big deal, just like the zetec it's simple stuff, but you'll need to pocket the ecotec pistons and fit a pair of cams to get
200hp.
I don't know enough to be able to compare the zetec and ecotec directly, but they have a "similar" head design (much narrower and
tighter in the chambers than the XE) and similar? (the same?) valve sizes so I would guess they are going to make broadly similar outputs, certainly
make exactly the same std power figure. (but then they would wouldn't they!!!)
The ironic plus with bothe the zetec and the Ecotec is that you can do fairly cheap mods which will bring them up to XE power levels, but the enhance
the XE by any worthwhile amount takes a lot of money. You can't fit cams which are any good without pocketing the pistons quite a bit, but then
you may as well fork out for forged intruder ones, and then with the cams fitted, you'll need to rev it, so you'll need steel rods at £600
ish a set.................................
Well done i would be chuffed with that.
Could you tell me which merlin ram pipes they are? are they ITG ones full radius, slot in type, etc?
I need to get a set for mine along with whatever you attached them with, it looks like silicon pipe?
Are you going to put air filters on?
Cheers
Steve
Ben Lee on Migweb runs a pretty modified ecotec and doesn't come close to 200bhp 
Same mods on an XE would be 200+ easily, yet he's at 183.5
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=131352
SBD have achieved some impressive results with the 1.6 16v ecotec. With heavy mods they've reached 240bhp and can rev up to 9500bhp which is very
cool 
But 165bhp seems to be fairly easy to obtain without going too hard on modifications. I'm tempted to by one as it'll be more compact and
presumably lighter than the XE, and more insurance friendly for me as i wont be 21 for another year or so.
Drop a duratec in 
Thats what I would be doing if I had the money. 204BHP from an otherwise standard engine sounds good to me.
http://www.webcon.co.uk/Downloads/Duratec%20Flyer.pdf
David
Yea, but the XE makes exactly the same power for much less money!
Ok, the duratec is lighter, but it needs a very expensive bellhousing etc.
Again, I looked at using one but it would cost me 2.5 to 3 times what the XE will for the same power and a few kgs less weight!!
quote:
Originally posted by olv
SBD have achieved some impressive results with the 1.6 16v ecotec. With heavy mods they've reached 240bhp and can rev up to 9500bhp which is very cool
But 165bhp seems to be fairly easy to obtain without going too hard on modifications. I'm tempted to by one as it'll be more compact and presumably lighter than the XE, and more insurance friendly for me as i wont be 21 for another year or so.
Did/do any cars run the duratec v6? Anyon eknow a power figure for it? Already thinking of parts for my next build and want a v6 engine just to be a
(little) bit different. Plus I want twin exhausts next time. More shiny bits.
I think Razman on here is running one?
quote:
Originally posted by NS DevVERY VERY good engine indeed!!!
we ran a std one in the old rally car and it made 162 hp iirc in totally std form with 45mm jenvey throttle bodies on it. Quite a bit lighter than the XE, considerably smaller, uses effectively larger valves (per cc of cyl displacement, they are actually a tad smaller if you see what I mean!) and uses the same cam followers as the XE, so it's well overengineered in the cyl head dept.
very good engine indeed, but then there's also the K series and Zetec S to consider, which are more modern and lighter. K series has its foibles which can be a pain though and the zetec S is more desirable hence more pricey!
monkeybasher
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat they measure 52mm at throttle body end and joined with samco 51mm hose
( cheapest way is to buy a 45 deg bend and cut it up £16 +vat) all from merlin also stainless hose clips 50-70mm.
Adrian.
everyone else
zetec's are eaiser to get hold of
at least down here
with espect to the ecotec issue the only reason I am using one is because its free
If I could choose
s2000
duratec or Bike engine
K series
in that order
mmmmm, S2000. ba$tard quick so i hear. And there's a company from somewhere that all ready makes a kit with it! Shame I can't afford an S200
wheelnut, let alone the engine! Hasn't stopped me making a locost though. Hurrah.
quote:
Originally posted by APR
monkeybasher
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat they measure 52mm at throttle body end and joined with samco 51mm hose ( cheapest way is to buy a 45 deg bend and cut it up £16 +vat) all from merlin also stainless hose clips 50-70mm.
Adrian.
everyone else
zetec's are eaiser to get hold of
at least down here
quote:
Originally posted by olv
quote:
Originally posted by NS DevVERY VERY good engine indeed!!!
we ran a std one in the old rally car and it made 162 hp iirc in totally std form with 45mm jenvey throttle bodies on it. Quite a bit lighter than the XE, considerably smaller, uses effectively larger valves (per cc of cyl displacement, they are actually a tad smaller if you see what I mean!) and uses the same cam followers as the XE, so it's well overengineered in the cyl head dept.
very good engine indeed, but then there's also the K series and Zetec S to consider, which are more modern and lighter. K series has its foibles which can be a pain though and the zetec S is more desirable hence more pricey!
Sorry to drag this further off topic but there you go
Glad to here you had such positive results with the 1.6 ecotec. It makes it a very tempting option for me. Difficult to pick between that and the 2.0 XE.
Any idea what the weight difference is between the two? Does the ecotec require any sump modifications? Does the XE really need a chopped sump for better ground clearance as it's a fairly tall engine and can hang down a bit too much?
What are peoples thoughts on using a manta box instead of a bellhousing and type 9. As far as i know the manta box should just mate straight up to the XE, what about the 1.6 ecotec? What's the size and weight like of the manta box compared with the type 9.
Woah, gone waaay off topic. sorry APR.
Cheers for that NS Dev, most useful.
quote:
Originally posted by APR
manifold by bogg bros
ecu is DTA ex48
exhaust was luego item
torque was up by 25lb with a smooth climb to rev limit at 7250
old zetec with twin 45s only produced 130bhp on same r/road.
cost of r/road was £250
std cams at this time and found no gain from verniers.
throttle bodies gsxr 750 k4
trumpets from merlin motorsport
r/r done by FRANKINSTIEN MOTORSPORT
heath and reach nr leighton buzzard.
didnt get a print out but they are sending me one and i will post it up.
Thanks to everyone who answerd all my questions during my build
[Edited on 11/3/06 by APR]
std escort cosworth dark blue injectors (had to run at 3 bar fuel pressure running at 90% duty at rev limit of 7250 ),
injectors to flange is 95mm bogg bros set this. hope this helps
Adrian.
Good Info. Thanks.
quote:
Originally posted by APR
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat
quote:
Originally posted by nre
quote:
Originally posted by APR
product code for ram pipes - ITG-AH32/bare ali spinning 70mm, £10.80 each +vat
I have the same on my setup, but bought from HERE for half Merlin's price.... this is locostbuilders after all!
Hope that might save someone a few quid...
Cheers,
Neil
quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
Yea, but the XE makes exactly the same power for much less money!
Ok, the duratec is lighter, but it needs a very expensive bellhousing etc.
Again, I looked at using one but it would cost me 2.5 to 3 times what the XE will for the same power and a few kgs less weight!!
Has anybody EVER managed to get through to Need For Speed on the phone?
Driving me (excuse pun) mad!!! 
Just keeps ringing and ringing and ringing...
I want to order some trumpets and then some 'air filter socks' to go over them... I just wanna chat to em first and find out about the
socks.
RamAIR make socks - but they say max power is 130 horses 
- I want more than that - hence checking with NeedForSpeed!!!
It should be NEED TO ANSWER THE FKIN PHONE!!!
Don't use filter socks, they are shite in blunt terms!
If you do want some, I have some ITG ones you can have if you wanna collect them, but they are crap!
I am after some long rampipes for my throttle bodies - the flanged type pref 90-120mm + whats the cheapest place for these? Jenvey site seems very
expensive. The bare spinnings look good, but can you buy blank bases to get them tigged to?
Ned.
Ned,
Pipercross do some at around £16 each to fit any carbs
this place stocks em and is cheap
http://www.performancecentre.co.uk/
Cheers,
Murray
good link, thanks - but in bolt on fitment (dhla style?) they only go upto 60mm
NSDEV you have U2U
NED,
Sorry - didn't realise they weren't long enough :-(
I'd give ITG a ring - see what they can do - that's what I did with Pipercross...
ITG might be able to supply direct with the plates to 'tig' on..
Cheers,
Murray
For anyone thats still interested I've just rung ITG and they quoted me a retail price of £16 each for the flanges and £15.80 retail for the
108mm 45mmid spinnings, which is odd seeing as the link above is cheaper and the guy wasn't aware of that website selling them!
all that aside its still cheaper to pay jenvey £23 each in 90 or 120mm lengths and not have to fit the flange and spinning together by
welding/glueing etc.
still no 'locost' solution as far as i can see