dtmpower
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 12:35 PM |
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planning own car project
I am planning on building my own car from fresh, commencing the build in the next year or so. Initially I want to read up on the subject, design the
chassis and make a build plan before getting stuck in.
How do you go about designing the car from scratch ? I have an idea in my mind how it should look, general size etc. But is there any good books or
articles to read to cover some of the following:
wheelbase
track/width
expected weight
occupancy / passenger space
height
wheel size
engine / layout
bodywork material + fitment
doors
chassis material / construction
suspension donor or bespoke
gearing / gearbox / drive train
IVA compulsory features.
I expect people will think I am copying Rob, but I did speak to Dom9 about this many months before Rob realised his blog. I want to build a kei car
sized group c replica, with the body shell being made from lexan (much like an r/c car)
Is the Kimini book worth buying ? Are there any other books that would be worth reading ?
I want to get some CAD software to plan out the chassis - is SketchUp fit for the purpose or is there another cheap alternative such as turboCAD ?
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balidey
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 12:42 PM |
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A very good start is to read High Speed Low Cost by Allan Staniforth. Yes its old, but a fantastic book written very well by someone who knew about
car design and set up.
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 12:43 PM |
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Read, lots. I started building then started reading and Ive made so many decisions which are compromised (for a start starting with a seven frame
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On the contrary, get stuck in, otherwise youll spend the rest of your life deciding what youre going to do and never do it!
Ive got kit car suspension and brakes by Des Hammil
competition car aerodynamics by simon macbeath
chassis engineering by herb adams
Various of the bell books on engines
Iva manual (download)
then because of previous hobbies, lots of grp and composites stuff from a boatbuilding background, a lot of online reading, forums and papers and
suchlike.
are you limiting yourself to production car uprights etc or going bespoke? Sometimes a few limitations provide you with the contraints to work to (my
track was decided by standard locost proportions and geometry to an extent by the choice of upright....
My Build Thread
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tegwin
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 12:45 PM |
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http://www.kimini.com/Reference/index.html
I highly recomend you buy the Kimini book! Realy good read!
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iank
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 01:07 PM |
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Race and Rally Car Source Book by Allan Staniforth (has a very useful drawing showing how to position drive/seat/controls) and a huge amount of
excellent information on suspension design and construction.
Lots of interesting information on http://www.autospeed.com/
Since you want a lexan body (presumably heat moulded) then this article should get you going
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_111051/article.html
Chassis design should ideally come after you've drawn up the driver and controls and the suspension/engine position. If going for a spaceframe
then build a physical scale model out of balsa to get a feel for it's stiffness - it's really easy to experiment and understand where to
add/remove members to improve your design.
Good luck, don't underestimate the amount of work you're letting yourself in for.
Worth looking at the dp1 website for ideas as well.
http://www.dpcars.net/
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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Theshed
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 01:29 PM |
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Definitely read and draw first cut later. There is a huge temptation to start laying out a chassis. My best tip would be when you cannot ressist the
craving for dirt under your nails to concentrate on getting all the bought in parts in good shape (even if you give up you can flog them). Next build
yourself a great big build table. CAD is great but so is Balsa. I use an early version of Turbocad as it helps with dimensions and is dirt cheap. I
used Susprog to design suspension great but not so cheap.
Your biggest decision for a Type C will be which gearbox to use. In line transaxles dictate lots of other design decisions.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 01:42 PM |
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Also; Designing and Building Special Cars by Andre Jute.
Explains the design process and how to go about it, in simple terms and is a really good read. Not stuffy at all.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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iank
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 02:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Theshed
Your biggest decision for a Type C will be which gearbox to use. In line transaxles dictate lots of other design decisions.
If it's Kei Car sized then there may not be room for a longitudinal engine and transaxle. BEC or transverse CEC may be options. But the
principle of deciding things like that early is sound as suspension will have to take account if it's a transverse install.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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zilspeed
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 04:12 PM |
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Be hugely motivated is the first thing.
Make all your own decisions is the second.
By all means, read stuff on here and elswhere, but ultimately, read, learn, understand, do is the only way.
Being focused on the finishing line is the single most important concept.
If you manage that, you can achieve whatever you want to.
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Hammerhead
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 06:24 PM |
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read this
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=54042
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 06:50 PM |
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Buy an Autozam AZ-1 would be much wiser although not as fun.
One of the prototypes:
[Edited on 21/4/10 by ettore bugatti]
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Fred W B
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| posted on 21/4/10 at 07:05 PM |
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Some discussion you may find helpfull
HERE
Cheers
Fred W B
You can do it quickly. You can do it cheap. You can do it right. – Pick any two.
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dtmpower
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| posted on 24/4/10 at 10:18 PM |
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Thanks for the all interesting and helpful replies. I will try and get hold the of the books listed in the thread.
Other than these books :
Book List
Is there any further suggestions ? ( Kimini is not on amazon uk - but I will be buying the b/w copy to read)
quote:
Originally posted by ettore bugatti
Buy an Autozam AZ-1 would be much wiser although not as fun.
One of the prototypes:
[Edited on 21/4/10 by ettore bugatti]
ettore - thanks, as it happens that's my inspiration picture. Seen my thread on pistonheads ?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=30&t=841502&mid=28387&nmt=planning%20own%20car%20project
I always liked that concept version of the AZ550 but not so keen on the AZ-1 production models, not to mention their huge value in Japan still and the
unfavourable exchange rate. There was an AZ-1 for sale in Guernsey sometime ago for about £8k.
I want to start the build as a hobby, the engineering side of the project is as important as the final car. I mistakenly read Physics at university -
when I really should have taken an engineering or a motorsport related course.
[Edited on 25/4/10 by dtmpower]
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andkilde
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| posted on 25/4/10 at 01:40 PM |
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Check this out:
http://speed-car.com/
Seems like the form factor you're describing, the styling is a little more utilitarian but the mechanicals are there.
There are a bunch of YouTube vids of it in action as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjlq1tkE1CQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrQX1KLceCY
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ettore bugatti
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| posted on 27/4/10 at 03:49 PM |
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I read the thread on PH, but you dont have a preference for an engine/ gearbox?
The book of Andre Jute is very nice (a bit dated, but sound principals)
Another tips:
-Racing and sports car chassis design, Costin & Phipps
-How to Build Motorcycle-engined Racing Cars, Tony Pashley
-the build diary thread of the Warner R4 on this forum.
Achieving the Group C looks might be difficult, since you cannot put the lights that low and still beeing road legal.
However Pagani:
http://thespeedbarrier.blogspot.com/2007/11/design-study-pagani-zonda.html
Something says me that Mini mechanicals combined with a potent bike engine will get you very near.(whispering GTM COX, Landar R7)
Good luck!
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dtmpower
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| posted on 3/5/10 at 10:17 PM |
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Another concern has come to my mind - is a single garage enough space to get started ? Or will I be tripping over myself all the time ?
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