APR
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 08:03 AM |
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rolling road
got my car maped yesterday 2.0 blk top zetec with gsxr throttle bodies made 168 bhp at flywheel and 139 bhp at the wheels 
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mark.s
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 08:23 AM |
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nice 1, who did the rolling toad for you?
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the_fbi
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 09:59 AM |
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What management?
GSX-R 750 bodies?
Whose manifold?
Nice result btw 
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the_fbi
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 02:54 PM |
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Running verniers so possibly different cams too
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olv
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 03:24 PM |
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Excellent result.
What sort of torque was it producing and what was the shape of the graph?
i'm currently weighing up vauxhall vs zetec power. can't make up my mind!
Also, what ecu are you running, megasquirt?
Keep thinking of more questions from your photo archive it looks like you were running twin 45s before, what sort of power were they producing?
Also how much was the rolling road setup?
Sorry lots of questions
[Edited on 11/3/06 by olv]
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omega0684
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 06:14 PM |
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where or who made your exhaust manifold for you looks very nice and shiny, i want one!
Alex
I love Pinto's, even if i did get mine from P&O!
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omega0684
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 06:14 PM |
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where or who made your exhaust manifold for you looks very nice and shiny, i want one!
Alex
I love Pinto's, even if i did get mine from P&O!
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APR
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| posted on 11/3/06 at 11:26 PM |
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manifold by bogg bros
ecu is DTA ex48
exhaust was luego item
torque was up by 25lb with a smooth climb to rev limit at 7250
old zetec with twin 45s only produced 130bhp on same r/road.
cost of r/road was £250
std cams at this time and found no gain from verniers.
throttle bodies gsxr 750 k4
trumpets from merlin motorsport
r/r done by FRANKINSTIEN MOTORSPORT
heath and reach nr leighton buzzard.
didnt get a print out but they are sending me one and i will post it up.
Thanks to everyone who answerd all my questions during my build
[Edited on 11/3/06 by APR]
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TheKingofBling
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 posted on 12/3/06 at 07:44 PM |
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VX vs Zetec
Olv,
Go Vx route, your nearly get than power from a bog standard motor.
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TheKingofBling
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| posted on 12/3/06 at 07:44 PM |
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VX vs Zetec
Olv,
Go Vx route, your nearly get than power from a bog standard motor.
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greggors84
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| posted on 12/3/06 at 08:38 PM |
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I take it they are recommended then! Will have to look them up when I get mine on the road.
Do you fancy coming over to Abingdon on tuesday for the Oxfordshire meet, show of your freshly tuned car!
EDIT: By the way, is one of your pictures in your archive taken on top of Dunstable Downs? If it is, its about 2 miles from where I live back home.
[Edited on 12/3/2006 by greggors84]
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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APR
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| posted on 12/3/06 at 10:52 PM |
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greggors84
yes it was dunstable downs the other car was adz h. abingdon is a good possability send us some details, do many turn out for this????
Adrian.
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greggors84
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| posted on 13/3/06 at 01:28 AM |
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The details of the location are here http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=36933
Had some good turn outs last year, but as its still cold and wet it might not be too many this month. Last month was a poor turn out, and Dan, who
normally organises the meets, isnt here either.
Should see tomorrow and tuesday who is planning on coming along.
I drove back past that car park on the way back from my first cocked up SVA.
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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stevebubs
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| posted on 13/3/06 at 02:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TheKingofBling
Olv,
Go Vx route, your nearly get than power from a bog standard motor.
Um...APRs motor is pretty much a standard one...the only modification is vernier pulleys....
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NS Dev
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| posted on 13/3/06 at 09:04 AM |
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VX XE, totally std, incl std cams and pulleys, with 48mm throttle bodies will give approx 200hp flywheel, 175-180@ wheels.
Mine have made 176hp@ wheels and 172hp @ wheels
Much more than std Zetec, there is no contest in terms of std engines.
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TheKingofBling
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| posted on 13/3/06 at 11:05 PM |
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vx
The Above says it all.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 13/3/06 at 11:26 PM |
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BUT.....to prove I am not biased! I have seen some fairly "mild" (pocketted pistons, revised cams and bigger inlet valves) Zetecs giving
std Vauxhalls a very good run for their money, though the Zetec would obviously still work out more expensive.
They also seem to have a tad more bulk to their torque curves than the vauxhall, no idea why.
VX XE still wins hands down though.
Zetec is very comparable in design and performance to the later VX Ecotec engine, which is significantly less capable in std or mildly tuned form than
the XE.
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 12:00 AM |
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i know the xe is king ns, but dave walker wrote a rather glowing article about the ecowreck in ppc, apparantly they can show 200 hp without internal
mods. I was under the impression they had the edge over a zetec, any thoughts?
[Edited on 14/3/06 by liam.mccaffrey]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 12:09 AM |
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You won't see 200hp without touching internals I'm afraid.
It's not a big deal, just like the zetec it's simple stuff, but you'll need to pocket the ecotec pistons and fit a pair of cams to
get 200hp.
I don't know enough to be able to compare the zetec and ecotec directly, but they have a "similar" head design (much narrower and
tighter in the chambers than the XE) and similar? (the same?) valve sizes so I would guess they are going to make broadly similar outputs, certainly
make exactly the same std power figure. (but then they would wouldn't they!!!)
The ironic plus with bothe the zetec and the Ecotec is that you can do fairly cheap mods which will bring them up to XE power levels, but the enhance
the XE by any worthwhile amount takes a lot of money. You can't fit cams which are any good without pocketing the pistons quite a bit, but then
you may as well fork out for forged intruder ones, and then with the cams fitted, you'll need to rev it, so you'll need steel rods at £600
ish a set.................................
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Monkeybasher
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 02:02 AM |
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Well done i would be chuffed with that.
Could you tell me which merlin ram pipes they are? are they ITG ones full radius, slot in type, etc?
I need to get a set for mine along with whatever you attached them with, it looks like silicon pipe?
Are you going to put air filters on?
Cheers
Steve
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the_fbi
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 08:19 AM |
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Ben Lee on Migweb runs a pretty modified ecotec and doesn't come close to 200bhp 
Same mods on an XE would be 200+ easily, yet he's at 183.5
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=131352
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olv
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 01:13 PM |
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SBD have achieved some impressive results with the 1.6 16v ecotec. With heavy mods they've reached 240bhp and can rev up to 9500bhp which is
very cool 
But 165bhp seems to be fairly easy to obtain without going too hard on modifications. I'm tempted to by one as it'll be more compact and
presumably lighter than the XE, and more insurance friendly for me as i wont be 21 for another year or so.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 01:19 PM |
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Drop a duratec in  Thats what I would be doing if I had the money. 204BHP from an otherwise standard engine sounds good to me.
http://www.webcon.co.uk/Downloads/Duratec%20Flyer.pdf
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 02:45 PM |
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Yea, but the XE makes exactly the same power for much less money!
Ok, the duratec is lighter, but it needs a very expensive bellhousing etc.
Again, I looked at using one but it would cost me 2.5 to 3 times what the XE will for the same power and a few kgs less weight!!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 14/3/06 at 02:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by olv
SBD have achieved some impressive results with the 1.6 16v ecotec. With heavy mods they've reached 240bhp and can rev up to 9500bhp which is
very cool
But 165bhp seems to be fairly easy to obtain without going too hard on modifications. I'm tempted to by one as it'll be more compact and
presumably lighter than the XE, and more insurance friendly for me as i wont be 21 for another year or so.
VERY VERY good engine indeed!!!
we ran a std one in the old rally car and it made 162 hp iirc in totally std form with 45mm jenvey throttle bodies on it. Quite a bit lighter than the
XE, considerably smaller, uses effectively larger valves (per cc of cyl displacement, they are actually a tad smaller if you see what I mean!) and
uses the same cam followers as the XE, so it's well overengineered in the cyl head dept.
very good engine indeed, but then there's also the K series and Zetec S to consider, which are more modern and lighter. K series has its foibles
which can be a pain though and the zetec S is more desirable hence more pricey!
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