goodall
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 11:43 AM |
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transverse 4x4 gearboxes
what all is there out there thats commonly available besides the one used in the freelander?
thinking of a 4x4 mini again and inline 4x4 really is the best idea in a mini as it eats up so much space in a car were you need all the space you can
get
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Scoob
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 11:45 AM |
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Sierra XR4x4? ( I think :S)
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stevec
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 11:54 AM |
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Didn,t they do a 4x4 Fiat panda. Was that transverse?
Steve.
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novacaine
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 11:55 AM |
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EVO 
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 11:56 AM |
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Ive got a 4x4 mondeo (stop laughing ) Tranverse engine / gearbox with zetec . Might fit under a clubman bonnet. Have seen a few mondeo 4x4's
breaking on ebay. If you want an inline 4x4 there are still a few sierras about. I got a 4x4 ghia estate for doner parts for £50
[Edited on 24/5/07 by TGR-ECOSSE]
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 11:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stevec
Didn,t they do a 4x4 Fiat panda. Was that transverse?
Steve.
Yes
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mcerd1
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 12:10 PM |
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Jag X-type ? (same floor pan as mondeo and new freelander)
quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
Ive got a 4x4 mondeo (stop laughing ) Tranverse engine / gearbox with zetec . Might fit under a clubman bonnet. Have seen a few mondeo 4x4's
breaking on ebay. If you want an inline 4x4 there are still a few sierras about. I got a 4x4 ghia estate for doner parts for £50
[Edited on 24/5/07 by TGR-ECOSSE]
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 12:19 PM |
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You mean my 1996 mondeo 4x4 is realy a jag X type
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goodall
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 12:51 PM |
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dont think a panda drive train would be up to the 200bhp i want to run in the mini
evo would be very nice but i dont think that it would be quite in budget
mondeo now theres an idea, i always thought they were just a sierra with a mondeo shell and there for inline engine, but that sounds like the best
idea. how much do they sell secondhand?
looking at this link the other day i got thinking about it but i dont
think the 4x4 civic people carrier was ever sold here so need a different donor
yea i remember watching a show about 5 years ago on how the xtype was based on a mondeo, must have sliped my mind how the engine was mounted
[Edited on 24/5/07 by goodall]
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 12:54 PM |
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Ebay mondeo
4x4
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Fatgadget
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 12:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
You mean my 1996 mondeo 4x4 is realy a jag X type
You got that arse over tit! It's the other way around!
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goodall
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 01:17 PM |
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its mot'd and tax'd for 4 months still and at only £100 its perfect but this is still next years project mainly because it will then be
possible for me to drive the donor home and use it for a few months to make sure everything works right
whats the mondeo like to drive? do you know what the torque split is like front and back?
must start doing some reading on the internet soon about them
the new freelander is also going to be based on the mondeo if i remember correctly
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britishtrident
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 01:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
You mean my 1996 mondeo 4x4 is realy a jag X type
Rolling about floor laughing
What he means is Jags now feel as worn out as old Fords once the hit 50,000 miles
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 02:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by goodall
whats the mondeo like to drive? do you know what the torque split is like front and back?
It handles realy well for a biggish car. Its got traction control as well. Its a 60/40 split front to back.
I did write a longer answer but forgot to log in & lost it
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ned
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 02:25 PM |
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vw golf & bora 4motion, audi a3 & tt quattro, octavia 4x4 are all transverse 4wd. They are part time 4wd ie wheel sensors detect slippage and
a haldex clutch diverts power to the rear as and when required. Think it's approx 1/4 turn of slipage before power is diverted. Bit of a
compromise in terms of 4x4 but I gather improves fuel efficiency and tyre wear.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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DIY Si
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 04:07 PM |
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Another option is the old 405 Mi16 4x4 thing. You get a nice all ally 1.9 16V engine, which makes a nice 170 bhp on ITBs, and a transverse 4x4 set up,
leaving just the prop to run down the car.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
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twybrow
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 04:14 PM |
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I was thinking MI16. Good choice depending upon what you can squeeze into a mini!
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 05:14 PM |
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Have you seen this V6 4x4 Mini
The background on the site looks familiar but can't think where from
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goodall
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 06:24 PM |
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the problem with the vw system would be that its still new enough for donor to not be that cheap and it also needs the ecu for the clutch system to be
modified
cant say im all that big of a fan of french cars as the only one i have ever been in on a motorway broke a ring and was burning causing it to rev up
to 6000rpm and being able to be turned of
yea iv seen that site before but the size of the transmission tunnel is what turns me of about it as it leaves the driver very little foot room.
is that 60% to the front or rear? as i read on the internet the jag has 60% to the rear "giving a sportier feel", i would be all for using
the mondeo system if it was 60% to the rear as that would be very fun in a mini
its the same as the locostbuilders background just alot darker
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 06:46 PM |
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Celica GT4 had a transverse installation.
Cavalier/Calbra 4x4 was transverse.
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TGR-ECOSSE
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 06:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Celica GT4 had a transverse installation.
Cavalier/Calbra 4x4 was transverse.
Sorry would not recomend the cavalier/calibra option as the transfer box is the week link .Ask any owner you have to change all 4 tyres at the same
time or it packs in.
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ned
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 07:01 PM |
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the cavalier/calibra could be done as I know there are conversion front mini subframes available for this engine, but I must confess I dont'
know the transfer box/prop layout. It is also a relatively large and heavy engine for a mini.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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mcerd1
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 07:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Another option is the old 405 Mi16 4x4 thing. You get a nice all ally 1.9 16V engine, which makes a nice 170 bhp on ITBs, and a transverse 4x4 set up,
leaving just the prop to run down the car.
and the Mi16 ones have torsen rear diffs
A mate of mines got a 120k+ one of these - its just a bit worn
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daKlone
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 08:18 PM |
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I can't believe no-one has mentioned it, but what about a Lancia Delta Integrale? Not as expensive as you might think for a parts car with
running gear (say £500 to £1000).
dK
Winter is coming...
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goodall
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| posted on 24/5/07 at 09:48 PM |
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yes i believe the cavalier uses a slightly higher ratio of diff at the back and this causes the viscous coupling to always be working a small bit and
i could see how marginally different tyres may cause problems, and with this going to be a radically modified car its likely i will wear tyres very
unevenly 
if i was to buy a gt4 or a lancia i would probably just drive end up driving it than bothering spending time and money making my dream of a 4x4
mini
emm still good at 120k is starting to make me suppress my views on french cars, must find out abit more about its transmission system
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