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Author: Subject: when did they start build midengine kitcars?
ken555

posted on 28/6/13 at 09:03 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by ceebmoj
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Originally posted by kitman
I've been looking at GTM cars.
Did they had atube chassis, or just body?


Thay are a fiberglass monocope. With a frame that bolts to each end . I would like one as some point.

[Edited on 4/5/13 by ceebmoj]


The GTM Coupe has a Steel (Rust) chassis, the bodywork is unstressed.






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deeceee09

posted on 28/6/13 at 09:05 PM Reply With Quote
Mini Marcos, front engined and front wheel drive.





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blakep82

posted on 28/6/13 at 09:17 PM Reply With Quote
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Mini Marcos, front engined and front wheel drive.


Ah well, you win some you lose some.
Always assumed it was rear rwd.





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kitman

posted on 28/6/13 at 09:25 PM Reply With Quote
mid-engine?
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jeffw

posted on 28/6/13 at 09:31 PM Reply With Quote
G12 always wanted one









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kitman

posted on 29/6/13 at 11:04 AM Reply With Quote
expensive!
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kitman

posted on 23/2/14 at 02:06 PM Reply With Quote
I like verry much the Cox GTM.
There is one for sale, 4100 GBP, not ready.
expensive?

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Sam_68

posted on 23/2/14 at 02:35 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by kitman
I like verry much the Cox GTM.
There is one for sale, 4100 GBP, not ready.
expensive?


If by 'not ready' you mean unregistered, then yes, that's a bit on the pricey side - I'd say that 3K is closer to the mark, since they are an old design and you would expect a few problems getting them through the IVA assessment and registration process here in the UK.

4,100 would be reasonable for a finished and registered car.

Can you register kit cars easily in Belgium? A number of years ago, I sold a Raffo Tipo 12 (another mid-engined kit car) to a buyer in Belgium, and I seem to recall that he intended to keep the car registered in the UK as it was difficult in Belgium?

Edited to add: if the car is for you, you might want to trying it for size before you commit to purchase (you won't be able to test drive it if it's unfinished, I don't suppose): the original GTM's are quite compact, and some larger/taller people find them a little cramped and claustraphobic.

[Edited on 23/2/14 by Sam_68]

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kitman

posted on 23/2/14 at 03:44 PM Reply With Quote
It's been on the road in UK.
But needs to build up again.
The size will be a problem I think.
I like the shape of it.
A car registered in UK can get Belgian papers etc., since a few years.One good thing about Europe to me!

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kitman

posted on 24/2/14 at 01:13 PM Reply With Quote
Been looking again at that list, but most midengine cars are race cars.
I am looking for older midengine roadcars like the Cox GTM.
So if someone has any ideas

[Edited on 24/2/14 by kitman]

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jeffw

posted on 24/2/14 at 01:50 PM Reply With Quote
Technically a lot of these are almost/are rear engined (J15/Riot etc) while a lot of front engined kits are more mid-engined than the rear-engined cars (if you follow me).






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iank

posted on 24/2/14 at 02:00 PM Reply With Quote
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Technically a lot of these are almost/are rear engined (J15/Riot etc) while a lot of front engined kits are more mid-engined than the rear-engined cars (if you follow me).


I've never been able to understand where the idea that a transverse engine in front of the driveshafts is considered "rear" engined comes from. All I can think is some people either have a different way of measuring things or have never looked at a transverse engine and gearbox.

Even a mini engine with the gearbox under the block has the diff behind the engine.





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kitman

posted on 24/2/14 at 05:00 PM Reply With Quote
Originally posted by jeffw
Technically a lot of these are almost/are rear engined (J15/Riot etc) while a lot of front engined kits are more mid-engined than the rear-engined cars (if you follow me).

Yes I know what you mean, it is realy rear end, but I understood that they are called midengined.
If you put a square front engine in the back the weight is def. on the inside of the car.

If you got a VW Beatle, the engine is behind te rear wheels, surely a rear engined and that drives like s***.

[Edited on 25/2/14 by kitman]

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MikeRJ

posted on 24/2/14 at 05:53 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by jeffw
Technically a lot of these are almost/are rear engined (J15/Riot etc)


Technically they are not. On both the J15 and the Riot the engine clearly sits in front of the rear axle line, so they are mid engined.

The only genuinely rear engined kits that spring to mind are ones based on the Beetle floorpan and/or engine e.g. Porsche 356 replicas and Dune buggies.

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jeffw

posted on 24/2/14 at 06:05 PM Reply With Quote
note the use of the word almost....a J15 is a lot less mid-engined than my Phoenix or most 7 Reps.

[Edited on 24/2/14 by jeffw]






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deeceee09

posted on 24/2/14 at 06:32 PM Reply With Quote
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a J15 is a lot less mid-engined than my Phoenix or most 7 Reps.



Not sure you can have "less mid-engined" Jeff. Either it is or it isn't. However, from a front to rear weight distribution aspect, I am sure your Phoenix is nearer 50/50 than my 38/62. However I have been playing with suspension set up recently so maybe I shall be slightly less uncompetitive compared to last year





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jeffw

posted on 24/2/14 at 09:07 PM Reply With Quote
shades of mid-engineness....lol

Mine is a inline front mid-engined car and yours is a transverse rear mid-engined car.

I'm sure you'll go quicker this year Did I mention I've cured the 6psi drop and the high inlet temps?






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kitman

posted on 24/2/14 at 09:18 PM Reply With Quote
But....is someone aware of older "mid engined cars, non racers.
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nre

posted on 25/2/14 at 07:13 AM Reply With Quote
Another thought is that a J15 type setup will give a significantly lower yaw and pitch inertia than a 'front mid engine' setup, as the significant masses in the car (engine, gearbox, driver, passenger) are all concentrated near the whole vehicle centre of gravity (This was apparent when I corner weighted my Mojo with no driver, then with driver, then with driver and passenger, and found that the front-rear weight distribution remained the same for all).

A car such as a Phoenix or a 7 may have a more even distribution, but the significant masses are further apart from each other, hence a higher yaw and pitch inertia.

Lower inertia should make for a more nimble car... but also one that will accelerate in yaw more rapidly... so potentially a little trickier to drive sideways, which tallies with my experience!



[Edited on 25/2/14 by nre]

[Edited on 25/2/14 by nre]





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Ivan

posted on 25/2/14 at 07:27 AM Reply With Quote
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What type of car is the Yellow one with R444 registration No.?

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SPYDER

posted on 25/2/14 at 08:18 AM Reply With Quote
Its a Raffo Belva.

[Edited on 25/2/14 by SPYDER]

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