mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:06 PM |
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bloody coppers!!
just been totally fitted up by a pair of coppers!!! was in court for aparently using my phone whilst driving. even though i was scratching the side of
my bloody head!!! two coppers aperently saw a phone in my hand, from er 30 meters away through two wind screens when one of them should of been
watching the road because he was driving!!! bloody lying bastards!!! just handed my appeal in and got a decent solicitor (will not try and represent
myself again). all the respect i had for the police is now totally gone!!!! bunch of moaning donut munching dicks as far as i m concered!
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Keith Weiland
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:13 PM |
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Sure they have an exact time they think this happened and you have your mobile phone bill showing it was not in use at that time.
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graememk
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:14 PM |
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didnt you use mobile phone records as proof you wernt on the phone ?
your network would of been able to supply this.
however i use my finger nails to scratch my face 
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mr henderson
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:17 PM |
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I can see why you would be upset at the two policemen in question, but to tar the whole police force with the same brush is unreasonable to say the
least.
John
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oldtimer
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:18 PM |
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Calm down, don't be offensive, appeal it.
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:20 PM |
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Oh Dear. Got to get the VISITORS to country money somewere,
not a lover of the police myself but most of it is the magistrates they take their advice off the clerk of the court, and he's bitter and
twisted cos he never got the job himself,
tony
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:31 PM |
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phone records were clear the procecution said i could have been on any phone at the time. yeh guess i shouldn t tar the whole force. most worrying
thing is they were both fire arms officers. so guess i should be thanking my lucky stars they didn t think i had a gun in my hand otherwise i d have
been joining pour john charles demenzes! have handed my appeal in. going to put my phone in the boot when i drive think its the only way forward!
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chris-p-duck
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:42 PM |
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Agree you cant tar the whole force with the same brush. However I have no faith in the police at all, every time i have needed them they are useless
and every encounter with them is a let down. They seem to have a really screwed up sense of priorities.
Chris
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philw
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad_dogpompey
phone records were clear the procecution said i could have been on any phone at the time. yeh guess i shouldn t tar the whole force. most worrying
thing is they were both fire arms officers. so guess i should be thanking my lucky stars they didn t think i had a gun in my hand otherwise i d have
been joining pour john charles demenzes! have handed my appeal in. going to put my phone in the boot when i drive think its the only way forward!
Hang on, my mate got nicked the other week (bang to rights), now the rozzer that pulled him actually said if it was a personal phone he would have
confiscated it, but as it was a business phone he took his SIM details and said if you dispute it i will contact the phone company and provide your
phone records in court to prove you were using it.
So why didn't they do the same to you?
By the way the same thing happend to me a couple of years ago, and i wish i'd fought it.
Must try harder
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:48 PM |
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yeh same here, thing that got me was i walked straight out and straight to a solicitor i should have used in court today and had been recomended by a
friend, the solicitor went through it all and asked what the name of the copper was? and my solicitor said yeh your not the first. he said he d
repressented a nother guy exactely the same thing!!!! obviously needs the numbers for promotion or something!
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 05:52 PM |
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i offered to show him my out going and incoming calls at the road side they said they couldn t check it as that would be an illegal search!
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oldtimer
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:04 PM |
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Your comment about putting your phone in the boot from now on seems to imply you have been using your phone whilst driving in the past? that you just
haven't been caught the other times??
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:11 PM |
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nope have no need my phone stays in my pocket. it connects to the head unit in my car via blue tooth on its own. i have no need to have the phone in
my hand! have never done it even before it was named as a specific offence! the reason i d put the phone in the boot is it will still connect to the
head unit and they can t fit me up again!
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JoelP
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer
Your comment about putting your phone in the boot from now on seems to imply you have been using your phone whilst driving in the past? that you just
haven't been caught the other times??
no, he means if he got pulled then he could show the feds there were no phones accessible in the car.
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eznfrank
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
quote:
Originally posted by mad_dogpompey
i offered to show him my out going and incoming calls at the road side they said they couldn t check it as that would be an illegal search!
The copper probably didn't word it very well but I think what he meant is that it wouldn't be valid as evidence, being that call records
can be edited in seconds. To correctly verify whether or not a phone in use would require forensic examination as the bills would only show
outgoing.
How can it be an illegal search if you offer to show him the evidence (or lack of it!!) on your phone?? Hope your solicitor makes an issue of that
point at the appeal. I've been stitched up by a complete scumbag copper in the past too so know how you feel. Have you started a formal
complaint with the IPCC at all yet?? If that copper has done exactly the same thing before as your solicitor says, and the IPCC start to see a pattern
of it, they are likely to start looking a little more seriously at it.
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 06:55 PM |
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the whole thing happened back in september, was that pissed of i was at the police station making a complaint within 20 minutes! the response was that
they cannot deal with it until after the court case. as they can t undermine a court bla bla bla then i was deployed to afghanistan for a few months
so it s only just got to court. as i ve now been convicted in a magistrates court i ve got to appeal to the crown court which means i need to be
repressented by a barister. and you can t get one unless you go through a solicitor, so thats 150 plus vat an hour to get a solicitor and a barister
will cost about 500. so all in about a grand. and even if i win i ll only get 70 percent of costs back. so even if i win i m going to be 300 pounds
down!!! but its a matter of principle now! the solicitor thinks i ve got a strong case, and hes instructing a motoring barister for the court case,
hoping he ll rip the coppers to pieces in court! but i m not going to let it drop. screw them!!
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Simon
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:10 PM |
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When you win take the copper concerned to the small claims court! His employers liability cover should pay you out!
Maybe!
ATB
Simon
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mad_dogpompey
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:20 PM |
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think the main thing i m gonna take away from this when its all done is not to say a word to the coppers, just use the no comment line so they can t
twist anything you say! and never repressent yourself always get a decent solicitor to repressent you! and don t scratch your head when driving! shame
though could of spent the 300 i m going to be down on a better break set up!!!!!
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eznfrank
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 07:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mad_dogpompey
think the main thing i m gonna take away from this when its all done is not to say a word to the coppers, just use the no comment line so they can t
twist anything you say!
You'd be surprised how hard that is to do in real life, it's just not natural for humans, the average person lasts a mere 7 minutes before
they crack. Being in the forces you might fare a bit better but unless you're a seasoned criminal it's near impossible!!
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richardh
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 08:17 PM |
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blame the government for setting targets, the cps for not prosecuting so the only revenue spinner is off traffic stuff.
always on a hiding to nothing.
i used to be a copper and that kind of crap made me leave.............
get your records and fight it
Time for a change!
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tendoshingan
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 09:10 PM |
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While I do know some coppers and have 1 copper in the family, my experience of them, through dealing with them a lot when I worked security, is not a
good one.
I even got stitched up by a few of them a few years ago.
Like has been mentioned here about saying nothing, I did just that.
But that was not what the coppers statements said (4 of them).
In truth when I got the statements from my solicitor, one was honest but three others were saying that I was abusive, shouting and swearing. Obviously
got together over coffee to discuss their statements!!!!
Fortunately the magistrate believed me, but what is the country coming to?
When we have coppers shooting innocent people, hitting civilians on demos or driving stupidly and killing pedestrians.
How come the police seem to "triage" other offences like being broken into, or assaulted but are always around and willing to arrest when
you do nothing!!
Rant over
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Avoneer
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 11:17 PM |
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If you're in the forces, surely you can get legal representation from within or you might even qualify yourself.
Had several mobile cases recently and the court has taken the phone records as evidence and dismissed cases - should be easy to get hold of.
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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RK
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| posted on 1/5/09 at 11:40 PM |
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I seem to remember November 5 as being a significant date for you lot... what could it be...
Oh Yeah! Revenge day for all the bad authority figures in your lives!!!!!
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mackei23b
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| posted on 2/5/09 at 07:23 AM |
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I got pulled for the same thing.
At that point I pointed out to the officer that both phones were switched off, and if he wanted to go further I could switch them on so that he could
see the call logs.
He did check only to find that I had not used the phones. I don't mind as he was doing his job, but he didn't even offer an apology and
told me how serious it was before letting me go.
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aerosam
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| posted on 2/5/09 at 07:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RK
I seem to remember November 5 as being a significant date for you lot... what could it be...
Oh Yeah! Revenge day for all the bad authority figures in your lives!!!!!
So this Guy Fawkes night we are all going to have to dress up the guy in a police uniform then?
Just as an aside, in the times today there is a report on speed cameras. It seems that since the police lost the right to keep the fines, the number
of cameras has reduced, and the number of road deaths went DOWN in the same period. However now they are introducing loading bay cameras, and trying
to get many 30mph limits reduced to 20. Is this to make roads safer or raise more revenue? Judge for yourselves people.
Had enough of this dictatorship known as LCB. Gone elsewhere, not coming back. Kiss my ass ChrisW.
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