02GF74
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 02:17 AM |
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Originally posted by luke_stephenson
if you want to see the closing of british industry and the begginings of the privitisation revolution that has left us with next to no british owned
firms or utilities. french, spanish, and germans own our gas companies, water companies and phone companies.
hmmm but unless i've been asleep for the last 10 years, under whcih government did the Rover disappear? and Btitish Steel? and Leyland
DAF?
and same for who bought Abbey National, TVR, Cadburys.
I am sure there are many other examples.
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gottabedone
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 07:11 AM |
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That's getting heave boys!......personally I think that their "pledges" before the election should be more like promises. Any fool
can make up the junk that we've been listening to for the past number of weeks - the question is whether we will see any of it when Labour or
the Conservatives get in. I doubt it but with Labour we will put up with that stupid grin for longer and get poorer (unless you're a rich toff)
With the Conservatives, there will inevitably be some pain whilst trying to put right the last 11 years.
Voting for the here and now is a dangerous thing without seeing the long term picture.
Oh and Labour buying Lib Dem votes is just plain wrong whichever way you look at it!
Steve
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turbodisplay
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 07:30 AM |
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My friends mum works in school that was grant maintained until labour steped in.
It was nationally one of the best schools.
Then the interviews and exams were removed, it is now worse than other schools in the area, let alone nationally.
You right labour are so good! (btw sarcasm  )
Darren
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55ant
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 07:38 AM |
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just putting it out there with regards to national debt, am i right in thinking that although we have bailed out the banks, we are the majority share
holders. so, taxing them further and putting limits on their effectivnes by splitting them up etc, or anything that is not beneficial for the company,
is not benficial for the share holders, ie- us. we do own something, although alot of money was 'lost', we still have something to sell,
unless we rip the banks apart first.
anyway, votings for geeks!
everyone in my area is so far stuck up their own **** we will be torry, its pretty much seen as the trendy thing to do, crazy. 'oh i voted cons
as i am rich.' no your not, you just dont want to be shown up by all your ponsy mates whilst buying milk at M&S.
ps im not voting torry,
away from cars, now cycling and building TT bikes
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mookaloid
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 08:36 AM |
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For anyone that thinks Labour is the party for 'normal' working people - I believe that unemployment is higher now than it was when they
came in 13 years ago.
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 08:40 AM |
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I pmsl yesterday, there was a short clip on channel 5 news with Nick Clegg on a walk about (could have been any of them)
Joe public, "your lips are moving, your a politician, your lying"
Me, rofl. anyone else catch it ?
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woodster
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 08:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
quote:
Originally posted by luke_stephenson
i am just genuinely worried about a tory government
[Edited on 4/5/10 by luke_stephenson]
For as long as we have had the labour party, every time they get into power, they win the popular vote by fooling the voters into thinking that
everything is great but actually spending all the Country's money and taking us to the brink of financial ruin. Then the Tories get in and have
to put the money back. The same should happen now hopefully.
We wouldn't be in the mess we are in now if during the very good economic position that the tories created and this government inherited and
benefited from hadn't been squandered by gordon brown. most other countries put money away when times are good so that when times are bad they
have money to spend on boosting a recovery - but not gordon oh no he's spent the lot and much much more. We now have the worst balance of
payments and debt of any country in the EU except for greece - who are to all intents bankrupt - he has no business running the Country any way - he
wasn't even elected 
You shouldn't be worried about the tories, but we should all be worried that gordon brown might weasel his way back in again with weasel
mandelson who is also an unelected member of the cabinet but who I suspect is really in charge
well said /\ ........ i'll be voting tory as always and believe me i'm no toff ...... Labour always tax tax tax and spend spend spend
both without thinking ....... also who ever you vote for just make sure you vote remember people have died for you to have that right.
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luke_stephenson
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 08:57 AM |
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By the way you owe him 60,000 quid, we all do, even my grandchildren, that's how much of a financial genius that tw*t is
PS. I'm not a toff, total or otherwise
that was due to a global financial meltdown. in the first ten years of labour they managed to achieve a budget surplus not mega borrowing. the mega
borrowing is largely due to the global crisis that has seen other countries bankrupted!
Also as pointed out, we own half of many of the banks.
when their shares rise again which is pretty much innevitable the government will make and absolute fortune!! the national debt will not look so
significant then.
i know what will happen though. tories will come in and when they sell the assets in the banks the government now has they'll herald themselves
as the great economic masters.
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boggle
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 09:39 AM |
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the first one that promises to bring fuel under a pound gets my vote.....
just because you are a character, doesnt mean you have character....
for all your bespoke parts, ali welding, waterjet, laser, folding, turning, milling, composite work, spraying, anodising and cad drawing....
u2u me for details
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55ant
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 09:41 AM |
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quote:
the first one that promises to bring fuel under a pound gets my vote.....
yep, in a flash.
away from cars, now cycling and building TT bikes
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mookaloid
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 01:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by luke_stephenson
By the way you owe him 60,000 quid, we all do, even my grandchildren, that's how much of a financial genius that tw*t is
PS. I'm not a toff, total or otherwise
that was due to a global financial meltdown. in the first ten years of labour they managed to achieve a budget surplus not mega borrowing. the mega
borrowing is largely due to the global crisis that has seen other countries bankrupted!
Also as pointed out, we own half of many of the banks.
when their shares rise again which is pretty much innevitable the government will make and absolute fortune!! the national debt will not look so
significant then.
i know what will happen though. tories will come in and when they sell the assets in the banks the government now has they'll herald themselves
as the great economic masters.
I think you are in a minority on here mate 
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 01:18 PM |
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I've just been reading the american CNN website - they have a feature on the Monster Raving Loony Party (I'm not sure the yanks quite
understand them... )
Apparently, if one of their candidates gets enough votes to keep their deposit then they get chucked out of the party for not being loony enough!
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mookaloid
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 01:36 PM |
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Now that's loony
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 01:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by luke_stephenson
that was due to a global financial meltdown.
So nothing whatsoever to do with extremely poor decisions made by the current government then? e.g. selling our gold reserves at rock bottom prices?
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flak monkey
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:23 PM |
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I try to stay out of this, and will not be saying who I am voting for - but what the coutry needs at the moment is low interest rates to encourage
business growth again and get the housing market back moving (so much is driven by this its unreal).
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that interest rates will rocket under a tory government, as they always do without fail as they continue to look
after those with big inheritances in the bank. Hence why I have been in no rush to buy my own place and I think you will find a lot of people are
thinking the same.
Most importantly, very importantly, I havent heard one policy from the Tories and no one seems to be able to quote me any credible ones. They dont
have a plan and have no idea - Cameron is a completely stuck up public school boy on a charm offensive and a Thatcherite as well (oh how well the
country faired under her). And to top it all they have a chancellor with NO idea of economics at all which is most worrying at the current time. They
are simply banking on the fact that people are generally fed up with labour after 15years and that they see it a sure bet that they will get the power
back tomorrow. What they dont promise with their lack of policies they can then do what they like when they get in without anyone saying that there is
more borken promises etc etc.
I guess you now know who I am not going to be voting for, although around this area it'll be a losing battle.
If the Tories get in the country will be in even worse trouble as we will see another dip in the economy which will finish off even more businesses.
Dont say I didnt tell you so 
David
[Edited on 5/5/10 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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bmseven
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 03:43 PM |
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^What he said ^
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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mookaloid
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 04:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
I try to stay out of this, and will not be saying who I am voting for - but what the coutry needs at the moment is low interest rates to encourage
business growth again and get the housing market back moving (so much is driven by this its unreal).
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that interest rates will rocket under a tory government, as they always do without fail as they continue to look
after those with big inheritances in the bank. Hence why I have been in no rush to buy my own place and I think you will find a lot of people are
thinking the same.
Most importantly, very importantly, I havent heard one policy from the Tories and no one seems to be able to quote me any credible ones. They dont
have a plan and have no idea - Cameron is a completely stuck up public school boy on a charm offensive and a Thatcherite as well (oh how well the
country faired under her). And to top it all they have a chancellor with NO idea of economics at all which is most worrying at the current time. They
are simply banking on the fact that people are generally fed up with labour after 15years and that they see it a sure bet that they will get the power
back tomorrow. What they dont promise with their lack of policies they can then do what they like when they get in without anyone saying that there is
more borken promises etc etc.
I guess you now know who I am not going to be voting for, although around this area it'll be a losing battle.
If the Tories get in the country will be in even worse trouble as we will see another dip in the economy which will finish off even more businesses.
Dont say I didnt tell you so
David
[Edited on 5/5/10 by flak monkey]
118 page manifesto here if you want to look
Cheers
Mark
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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scootz
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 04:18 PM |
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I would like to see a stab at full independence for Scotland during my lifetime... so Scottish Nats for me!
Not because I'm anti-this, or anti-that... it's purely because I think there's a better chance of a smaller developed nation being
more progressive and also being able to react to the need for change quicker than the confused lumbering behemoth that is the UK.
I'd also like to see us get rid of Trident and stop following the US blindly into ill-conceived crusades. Just think of all those extra
deep-fried Mars-Bars, Haggis-Sandwiches, and bottles of Buckfast we could afford with the money saved by those two policies alone! GET -IN!
It's Evolution Baby!
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mookaloid
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 04:21 PM |
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I don't have a SNP candidate to vote for in Yorkshire 
But I wouldn't mind a YNP to vote for (think about it)
"That thing you're thinking - it wont be that."
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gottabedone
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 04:29 PM |
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It's interesting hearing the different generations here - those that have been stung by Labour and those that haven't yet.
It was said ^^^^ that we will be worth a fortune when the shares in the banks eventually go up again - do you really think that you'll see any
of this money or any benefit - the more Labour have the more they waste
There is so much money squandered in wacky schemes/quango's/specialist advisors etc and yet when faced with spending cuts what has to go?
schooling/police and essential services - and some call the Tories posh toffs creating jobs for the boys!
Steve
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Badger_McLetcher
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 05:44 PM |
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I'd vote for anyone not a politician. The rest are all the same.
[Edited on 5/5/10 by Badger_McLetcher]
If disfunction is a function, then I must be some kind of genius.
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Fozzie
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 05:51 PM |
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I really don't understand why some think that Tory=Toff .... not so....
Thatcher had a big deficit to try and remedy, there had to be tough, sometimes very tough decisions...just as now, who ever takes over will have the
same very tough decisions to make to try and remedy some sort of recovery.....to those who will lose site of the economy during that time, it will not
be popular......
But we are a democracy, and we all have a view of we think is right.....
And as said, our fathers and great grandfathers fought 2 World Wars to give us the right to choose......
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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scootz
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 05:59 PM |
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Indeed...
It is the Soldier, not the minister
Who has given us freedom of religion.
It is the Soldier, not the reporter
Who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the poet
Who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer
Who has given us freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier, not the lawyer
Who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is the Soldier, not the politician
Who has given us the right to vote.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,
Who serves beneath the flag,
And whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who allows the protester to burn the flag
It's Evolution Baby!
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morcus
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 06:23 PM |
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I doubt that many people on hear haven't been stung by Labour, it might just be that some don't realise it yet.
Huge areas of Marshland around here have been turned into houses (Much of it by direct order of the Government) and at the same time the government
have made it impossible for any one in a working class job to buy a house or get a council house.
Also, I was sold student loans by the government on the Basis that the intrest on them would only be at the base rate, now they've put it up, is
that legal?
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 5/5/10 at 06:32 PM |
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Candidates like this who have the full support of Cameron are enough to put me off the Tories, full stop.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/may/04/philippa-stroud-gay-prayer-cure
quote:
Conservative Party leader David Cameron has given his support to a Tory candidate accused of trying to "cure" gay people.
Philippa Stroud, the Conservative candidate likely to win the Sutton and Cheam seat at this week's general election, founded a church that
purported to "cure" gay and trans people through exorcising their "demons" through prayer, it was claimed this
weekend.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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