JoelP
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He'll get no sky where he's going. Would be a struggle to keep him alive in jail. It might well end up a case that solitary is
necessary.
Sane or not depends on how you define it. I believe him sane in that he isnt having voices/delusions etc, but clearly wrong in the head to be able to
do such crimes, and feel no remorse. It does make me wonder what road he has walked down to end up where he is now, mentally.
I would keep him alive to ponder his crimes, death would be an escape for him. If his final letter is to be believed, Rudolph Hoss came to see how
shocking his crimes were, in the days before his execution.
Beware! Bourettes is binfectious.
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bobinspain
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| posted on 17/4/12 at 07:14 PM |
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Sane or insane will only determine where he's incarcerated, not his length of stay. The 21 years maximum, if he's found sane can be
extended at the discretion of the authorities. In my opinion, he should never walk free from whatever institution he's detained in.
The DT today had many insightful posts regarding the Breivik trial, and there was particular focus on his motivation. The post that attracted the most
recommendations focussed on the transformation in ethnicity in such a small nation as Norway, (indigenous pop, circa 5m), and how this had been the
genesis of Breivik's warped thinking.
There was an unrelated article about the machinations of the Labour party in UK and how unfettered immigration was positively welcomed by Blair and
his acolytes in order to 'buy' votes and extend their tenure in government. The left wing press in general and in particular, the BBC were
singled out for opprobrium in aiding and abetting the socialist cause.
What Breivik did was reprehensible, however it's easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater and thus ignore something we should address
head-on. We should be aware that the likes of the BBC and Sky, (to a lesser extent) are guilty of extreme bias. Murnaghan at lunchtime said,
"what Breivik is saying is deeply offensive to Muslims." (Breivik was commenting on the gang-rapes carried out by male muslim gangs
against indigenous girls, like the scandalous case in Rochdale which came to trial in feb this year). It may be offensive, but so too were the actions
of the eleven men found guilty of grooming under-age girls.
We have become so politcally correct that we are blinded to what's happening around us. Worse still, we see it but daren't comment on it.
We are guilty of freewheeling our way to the 'Great Big Melting Pot' sung about by Blue Mink, (in 1970, their lyrics said, "keep it
stirring for 100 years or more, and turn out coffee coloured people by the score"). The writing is on the wall. In 15 years Birmingham (England)
will have a minority white population.
[Edited on 17/4/12 by bobinspain]
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 17/4/12 at 07:48 PM |
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As said, sanity is relative, both to your viewpoint and theirs, but I believe he knew what he was doing and as such should be found guilty. Just a
shame it happened in a peaceful country where no one carries arms, had it been america I suspect we wouldnt all be suffering the global circus that
his trial is rapidly becoming as someone would simply have shot him on the spot, still holding the gun.
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woodster
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| posted on 17/4/12 at 10:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
Sane or insane will only determine where he's incarcerated, not his length of stay. The 21 years maximum, if he's found sane can be
extended at the discretion of the authorities. In my opinion, he should never walk free from whatever institution he's detained in.
The DT today had many insightful posts regarding the Breivik trial, and there was particular focus on his motivation. The post that attracted the most
recommendations focussed on the transformation in ethnicity in such a small nation as Norway, (indigenous pop, circa 5m), and how this had been the
genesis of Breivik's warped thinking.
There was an unrelated article about the machinations of the Labour party in UK and how unfettered immigration was positively welcomed by Blair and
his acolytes in order to 'buy' votes and extend their tenure in government. The left wing press in general and in particular, the BBC were
singled out for opprobrium in aiding and abetting the socialist cause.
What Breivik did was reprehensible, however it's easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater and thus ignore something we should address
head-on. We should be aware that the likes of the BBC and Sky, (to a lesser extent) are guilty of extreme bias. Murnaghan at lunchtime said,
"what Breivik is saying is deeply offensive to Muslims." (Breivik was commenting on the gang-rapes carried out by male muslim gangs
against indigenous girls, like the scandalous case in Rochdale which came to trial in feb this year). It may be offensive, but so too were the actions
of the eleven men found guilty of grooming under-age girls.
We have become so politcally correct that we are blinded to what's happening around us. Worse still, we see it but daren't comment on it.
We are guilty of freewheeling our way to the 'Great Big Melting Pot' sung about by Blue Mink, (in 1970, their lyrics said, "keep it
stirring for 100 years or more, and turn out coffee coloured people by the score" . The writing is on the wall. In 15 years Birmingham (England)
will have a minority white population.
[Edited on 17/4/12 by bobinspain]
As said in the posts above his crimes are truely disgusting , however I do wonder about multiculturalism , the town I live in as a very large Asian
community and I wonder how the town will look in twenty years time, will it have a minority white community , will everyone on the town council be
asian, will its main religion be Muslim , will my daughters be married to Asian men and wearing the burka , I really don't know ? Should it be
something I should worry about ? I don't remember anyone asking me if I wanted multiculturalism and mass immigration .
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RK
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| posted on 17/4/12 at 10:37 PM |
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Where I come from, there is a very large Asian population, that in my opinion has been a boon to the area. It struck me one day that pretty much all
my brother's friends are Asian people. It's really not an issue. There are still places that are lily white if that's what people
want, but it sounds a bit boring to me.
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morcus
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 02:05 AM |
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Something worth considering, if he is deemed mentally ill, which he may be he would be sent to a 'hospital' where he would be treated and
in theory released if he was ever deemed to be of sound enough mind.
I still stand by my assertion that execution, and especially extrajudicial execution, is a far worse for society as a whole than full and propper
trials, leading to incarceration and reeducation. From the view point of people who believe these kinds of nutters are influencing people, it's
even more important. I've seen people say in the same breath that some one should be killed so they can't influence others but a martyr
has far more influence than a crazy old man in prison, especially if you can eventually convince him to admit he was wrong.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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bobinspain
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 06:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RK
Where I come from, there is a very large Asian population, that in my opinion has been a boon to the area. It struck me one day that pretty much all
my brother's friends are Asian people. It's really not an issue. There are still places that are lily white if that's what people
want, but it sounds a bit boring to me.
RK. I note you're posting from Canada, which has approximately 40 times the surface area of England with around half the population. Plenty of
room for all then?
I was struck by a second well-recommended comment it monday's DT which may put your post in perspective. The comment was made by a Geordie who
was living in Luton and went along the following lines: 'When I return to the family home in the North East I'm shocked by the apparent
preponderance of white faces, as opposed to Luton, where it's uncommon to see more than a handful of white skinned people on a trip to the town
centre. Is it right that I should have to take my daughter to the other end of the country for her to hear English spoken by English people? Surely
not?'
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morcus
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 02:12 PM |
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There are people who speak English in Newcastle?
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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