phoenix70
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 11:55 AM |
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if you want to blame anyone for this debacle, blame the UK government, instead of wasting money on Wars, Aircraft Carriers, MP Expenses, Foreign Aid,
Nuclear weapon systems, etc, etc, etc, they might have enough money to give the kids free tuition.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 12:16 PM |
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Originally posted by phoenix70
if you want to blame anyone for this debacle, blame the UK government, instead of wasting money on Wars, Aircraft Carriers, MP Expenses, Foreign Aid,
Nuclear weapon systems, etc, etc, etc, they might have enough money to give the kids free tuition.
That Foreign Aid has increased makes my blood boil it isn't even tied to British companies getting any contracts that result. The
aid money or at least 95% of it all ends up ion the hands of local dictators and gangsters anyway.
Trident why the F do we need it anymore except to make who ever is at number 10 feel one of the big boys, we can deliver nukes to any likely
target by much simpler means that don't depend on giving vast sums to the US.
Aircraft carriers we actually might need but they scrapped the bloody (freshly rebuilt) aircraft and have wasted a huge ammount of money on
developing a special version of US aircraft that dosen't deliver instead we forced to order a non stol/Vtol version that we could have had
much cheaper. The hulls will be rusted through and the aircraft obsolete before a single sortie is flown
Lack of aircraft carriers might be less of a problem if we hadn't scrapped the rebuilt Nimrods that we had already given BAE billions for --
rant over !
[Edited on 20/9/11 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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fesycresy
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 12:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by phoenix70
if you want to blame anyone for this debacle, blame the UK government, instead of wasting money on Wars, Aircraft Carriers, MP Expenses, Foreign Aid,
Nuclear weapon systems, etc, etc, etc, they might have enough money to give the kids free tuition.
You forgot immigrants, lazy sick spongers and dole lay-abouts.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 12:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fesycresy
quote:
Originally posted by phoenix70
if you want to blame anyone for this debacle, blame the UK government, instead of wasting money on Wars, Aircraft Carriers, MP Expenses, Foreign Aid,
Nuclear weapon systems, etc, etc, etc, they might have enough money to give the kids free tuition.
You forgot immigrants, lazy sick spongers and dole lay-abouts.
oh dear, I am probably in there somewhere then.
Besides, my opinion is firmly that over half the university population really shouldn't be there. If average and above get into uni, it tends to
devalue a degree rather.
And many uni's are selling courses that have no useful purpose. As in no employers takes the resulting degree seriously.
No, I am not being a snob, trying to down the students or anything else. What this country really needs are far more people learning to do real jobs
that are worthwhile. They used to be called apprenticeships, but have all but disappeared
On the other hand, having seen the way loans etc will be paid back, it doesn't seem unreasonable
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scootz
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 01:00 PM |
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I agree with a lot of what you say... there are FAR too many university students and too many 'nothing' degrees.
It's Evolution Baby!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 01:29 PM |
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True, it would appear the English are being the victim of discrimitation...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 01:59 PM |
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Originally posted by scootz
I agree with a lot of what you say... there are FAR too many university students and too many 'nothing' degrees.
Another part of
that problem is that the useful degrees (e.g. engineering, science, medicine, etc....) are generally the really expensive ones to teach 
when I did my engineering degree a few years back we must have had an average of 20 hours of lectures a week over the whole 4 years (first year was
something like 35 hours a week) and we had a massive workshop full of expensive toys - compare that to an arts degree with a couple of hours a week
teaching time and minimal facilities
quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Lack of aircraft carriers might be less of a problem if we hadn't scrapped the rebuilt Nimrods that we had already given BAE billions for --
rant over !
what do you expect form the same MOD who ordered the 'wrong kind' of chinooks
[Edited on 20/9/2011 by mcerd1]
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morcus
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| posted on 20/9/11 at 07:44 PM |
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You can blame the last government for the number of extra people at uni who shouldn't be there and the whole thing cause a huge number of
problems, e.g. there are a huge number of jobs you have to have a degree to have a chance of getting that really don't need a qualification like
that. Devolution is a massive waste of money in itself, do people really need there area to be represented by about 4 different representatives who
are all getting a salary much higher than the average working wage? 4 people who though representing the same people could quite easilly be working
against each other and in cases have no say whatsoever over what happens in their own constituency? When I lived in Glasgow I voted to send soemone
else to city council, then someone to Hollyrood to over rule him, then someone else to westminster who was also over ruled by the last man, then
someone else to Brussels to sit on comittees that could Veto anything any of the other three did.
In a White Room, With Black Curtains, By the Station.
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Kwik
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| posted on 21/9/11 at 01:02 PM |
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as i will be a student (as of next saturday) i want my education to be free. my year is the last of the "cheap" uni fees paing
"only" £3500...
my opinion is dont go to war, stop spending money on foreign aid and paying benefits to those who dont contribute to society (i personally know of a
few) and start making this country more educated in things that matter. scrap music degrees and dance degrees etc, you are far more succesfull if you
go to a dedicated dance or music collage than you will ever be with a degree, and make higher A levels harder.
on the student room forum there was a post comparing English 6th form with the American equivalent. he said how an A grade here is only a C grade over
there. we should stop dumbing down and start setting standards higher.
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