Fred W B
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:44 PM |
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Fred W B
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:45 PM |
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Fred W B
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:46 PM |
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Fred W B
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:47 PM |
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Fred W B
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:48 PM |
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Fred W B
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 05:49 PM |
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Ivan
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 07:39 PM |
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I remain in awe of what you are achieving  - it's something I would love to do but know I don't have the perseverance to ever reach
your standard of workmanship  I know I would eventually take a short cut and spoil the job
I'm much better at mechanical things that don't need the endless fettling and repetition to get them right.
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smart51
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| posted on 22/12/08 at 07:54 PM |
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I am in awe. Seriously, if mine gets to look as good as yours does now, I'll have finished, not be thinking of finishing.
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Originally posted by Fred W B
Making a body pattern single handed is a silly amount of work. To do this I think you do have to be determined, some would say bloody minded.
You don't say
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quinnj3
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| posted on 24/12/08 at 12:18 PM |
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I've been on this site for a couple of years now and have only just stumbled across this post. I've just spent about an hour reading it
and taking in all the work you have done. And all on top of having a job and normal life to go with it. You must be a very stuborn person! I only
wish I had the patience and the drive to build something to half the quality that you are doing. Keep up the good work. No doubt when you are
finished I'll still be reading and wishing!
my aim is to build my own locost wether it takes me a week or 10 years to get started, i'm sure i will sometime
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Fred W B
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| posted on 24/12/08 at 05:48 PM |
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Thanks for the kind comments guys, helps to keep the motivation up
Cheers
Fred W B
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Echidna
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| posted on 28/12/08 at 10:28 AM |
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You've done a magnificent job! Keep on with the updates! 
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 29/12/08 at 09:22 AM |
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Wow - that is going to be awesome when its done....
Chris
Spoing! - the sound of an irony meter breaking...
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Fred W B
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 06:44 PM |
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Being on leave at the moment, I have been able to make quite a bit more progress.
The front wheel arch edges are almost finished. Here you see the arch opening shape template (the spirit level is screwed to it) and the lip profile
checking plate.
In this first shot you can see that the blend of the lip to the fender still needs a bit more work, although the flash does seem to exaggerate the
effect.
 
jan 09 arch temp
 
jan 09 arch edge
[Edited on 4/1/09 by Fred W B]
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Fred W B
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 06:46 PM |
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Nose now looks much better, shown here with a guide coat on.
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Fred W B
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 06:47 PM |
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Although the pattern is solid enough that I can sit on it, it is difficult to reach down far enough to work in the bottom of the rad exit duct. I had
to make this platform to kneel on. Its hard work sanding at the full stretch of your arms!
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Fred W B
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Hugh Paterson
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 07:40 PM |
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Hey Fred, what paint are u using for the guide coat? something off the shelf, or a brew up from all your old tins!!
Shug
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Fred W B
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| posted on 4/1/09 at 07:53 PM |
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Hi Hugh
It's just rattle cans, I hate to think how many I have got through
When I finally finish this, all the local to me hardware stores are going to wonder why their stocks of rattle cans has just stopped turning over.
Cheers
Fred W B
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 5/1/09 at 12:45 PM |
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OMG - that's awesome....
How far do you reckon to go until you can mould it? Have you got to scratch build the chassis to go with it as well?
Chris
Spoing! - the sound of an irony meter breaking...
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Fred W B
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| posted on 5/1/09 at 05:33 PM |
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Thanks for the interest Chris
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How far do you reckon to go until you can mould it?
Will be a good few months yet, the better the surface gets the worse it looks.
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Have you got to scratch build the chassis to go with it as well?
So far I have built a prototype chassis, You can see some detail re the chassis in THIS
THREAD
If you want to see some more about the project, search on this site for "CANAMSA". I put that name in the title of posts I make about
various aspects of the car.
Cheers
Fred W B
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seansverige
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| posted on 9/2/09 at 05:53 PM |
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Hi Fred
stumbled across this whilst doing some online research. First off I would like to congratulate you on what you've achieved - truly, truly
amazing: you seem to have taken the hardest road possible from your 3 axis measuring jig onwards, and look close to completion - many others would
have fallen by the wayside.
I'd like to offer a couple of observations that are too late for you but might prove useful to anyone reading this thread and is inspired to
copy your example - I think these approaches could be applied to any subject.
When I read that you were working from a model my heart sank - models can vary significantly from the reality. This can be unintentional, such as the
case with the rear overhang that caught you out - but I have to say that other than that you've really pulled it off. I don't know whether
the different rear wheelarch on the other model is based on an actual variant or simply a liberty taken. It also use to be the case that a fair bit of
plagiarism went on in the mainstream industry so the first guy to model it makes the tail a little too long, and this get copied in subsequent
variations.
Variances can also be deliberate: smaller features can look out of scale when modelled accurately and in fact need to be exaggerated slightly to look
right - and this effect increases as scale decreases. This is less of an issue with the more organic shapes like the Lola, but a problem with more
complex forms such as the Audi TT's wheelarches (in this case complex means surface breaks and detail.)
The modelmaking scene has really taken off so if possible it's worth investing in a slightly more expensive but hopefully more accurate model.
At the extreme end, I don't know how amenable they might be to sharing information but, on the assumption that actually purchasing one of their
models is out of the question, contacting a high-end modelmaker such as John Shinton (www.johnshintonmodels.co.uk - who in fact makes a 1:8 T70 Mk3B
coupe) might yield some useful info or tips.
I would also look at other modelmaking sites - there are some useful sites and forums out there. There are an increasing number of websites that
collect blueprints (such as www.the-blueprints.com) - these are generally for guys building computer models, but there maybe some useful info there,
especially for the more recent stuff.
I think you mentioned that you've never seen a T70 in the flesh - or at least hadn't when you started the project - making what
you've achieved quite frankly jaw dropping. Historic racing is the fastest growing motorsport segment of late, and a quick search turned up the
Zwartkops 9 hour revival race at Kyalami (don't know how much of a trek that is for you) - and the entry list DID feature a T70, although I
don't know what variant. Even at the biggest events such as a Goodwood, paddock access is excellent compared to conventional motorsport
meeting.
Having found this thread, I've registered and will be checking back on your progress - keep up the excellent work. Good luck!
/sean
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Fred W B
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| posted on 9/2/09 at 07:02 PM |
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Hi Sean
Thanks for your comments and kind compliments.
As you say, it seems to have been a long hard road, and I certainly have a much better understanding of the T70 shape now than when I started. As for
working from a model, it was the only reference I had. I don't know where I would have started from without it. As for how accurate the shape
is, I will really only know if my shell ever stands next to a real one. But which real one? The GD/RCR replica is based on the 3 continuation cars
that Lola licensed in the early 80's, and that was quite a bit different to the original 60's cars in some areas. I understand that the
GD/RCR replica shell is 4" narrower than an original.
Also, as I have stated before, I have deliberately done some details differently to the originals. I've got to the stage now when I have to put
the pictures away and just get the damn thing finished and looking good to me. If I was trying to do an absolutely accurate, indistinguishable from
the originals, copy I would have been a gibbering wreck in a nut hose by now.
That said, I'm not sure if I am really looking forward to when I will be able to get it onto wheels and push it out into the sun for the first
real look, in case I am disappointed. I have read that the guy who did the pattern and moulds for the really accurate Kraftwerk 917 replica went
through everything I have done, and then when the first body was out the mould and built up, it did not look right to him, and he went though the
whole thing again, modifying the first set of panels and making new moulds.
But then, looking at various website's where guys discuss the various "high end" expensive replicas of some classic sports racers
that are available, there's always someone who recons this or that is "wrong", and most people are happy to accept.
As you suggest, last year a real T70 spyder did make the trip out here with the David Piper circus to do the Zwartkops (Pretoria, 1100km trip for me)
and Killarny (Cape Town, 800 km trip) races, but I was not able to schedule a trip to see it.
Their are 2 or 3 T70 Coupe replicas/mould sets in SA (I think originally based on a Maurader shell) but no spyders, at least to my knowledge.
Another point, in the now going on 6 years since I started this thing the amount of info and pictures available on T70 spyders on the web seems to
have increased dramatically, unless it has just become more visable to me as I became more aware?
P.S - I dont intend to put "Lola" badges on the car, when people ask what it is, I say its "inspired by" a Lola T70 Spyder.
Cheers
Fred W B
[Edited on 9/2/09 by Fred W B]
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seansverige
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| posted on 10/2/09 at 05:16 PM |
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Hi Fred - thanks for the swift response.
I was just throwing out ideas that might be of use to others following your example and (just to be clear) not in any way challenging your approach or
wanting to imply that none of the suggestions mentioned hadn't occurred to you - I'm sure you have plenty of hard won knowledge to impart.
Starting with a model was the best way, but I guess the basic principles are to question everything – as you did with the rear overhang (it was this
that prompted me to write) – and cross-reference data from as many sources as possible to get a levelling effect.
You do yourself a disservice stating you're not being absolutely accurate – the attention to detail and quality of workmanship belies that and I
personally applaud your willingness to tweak things to your own satisfaction, which is surely why you're doing it in the first place?
As well as all your other challenges, there are some inherent in your choice of subject matter – with low volume race-bred stuff like this I'm
sure very few were completely alike. These guys were concerned with winning, not historical record, and in a pre-digital era only documented as much
as they needed to to get the job done, so reconstructing the picture decades later is open to interpretation - and that's before we consider any
changes made in that period between them being cutting edge and classic, when they were simply old cars; finally, as you say, there's the issue
of 'continuation' models...
I would say you're correct - in the broadband age more stuff is out there, and Lola's 50th anniversary stimulated that further, but there
were a few good books about. The point about the modelmakers was that with someone like Pierre Scerri (the guy who did the 312 B) – his chosen subject
matter is now probably more comprehensively documented than it was when first designed and built; how willing they'd be to share that info is
another matter (if not already done, surely books could be written from the research material generated?)
In terms of actual replicas, I think this term covers a multiude of sins: many of replicas should be called lookalikes, but then categorising your
project with some of these is frankly an insult to you, but that's a whole other discussion. It's not just the internet that's
changed things – Goodwood FoS is only 15 years old and the Revival considerably younger; a quick trawl through Flickr the following Monday can yield
useful data.
Look forward to seeing photos of the rolling chassis in the bright SA sun and hopefully the fact that this is your interpretation of a T70 means
you're less likely to be disappointed.
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Fred W B
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| posted on 10/2/09 at 06:32 PM |
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Thanks Sean, and no, I wasn't taking any offence at all, enjoyed your input.
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in a pre-digital era only documented as much as they needed to to get the job done,
Interestingly enough, one of the most useful references I found was a scan of a scale 3 view line drawing published with a article about the car in a
car magazine when the car was new. The look of the drawings suggests that the author might have had access to the original lola drawings.
It was very kindly sent to me by a guy in Belgium who saw my project on here.
Cheers
Fred W B
[Edited on 10/2/09 by Fred W B]
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Fred W B
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| posted on 21/3/09 at 04:00 PM |
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Some good news out of the commercial crisis!
I haven't been able to get any time on the car for several weeks now, due to some other things keeping me busy, but this weekend managed to get
back in the garage.
You know how retail establishments only know how to put their prices UP, while those of us in engineering / manufacturing / construction have to
instantly adjust selling prices due to raw material price changes when commodities and petrochemical prices soften?
Today I went to buy some more paint rattle cans, to find the price is now two thirds of what I have been paying in the past. I nearly fell over. As we
know all economic activity has softened but its nice to see a price reduction on the retail shelf when you are taking money out of your own pocket.
Cheers
Fred W B
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ceebmoj
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| posted on 23/4/09 at 07:12 AM |
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hi,
is there an update / any more pictures?
blake
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